Pwm controlled b thermistor

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mad_mat222

Joined Aug 14, 2013
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Hi all,
Been bashing my head trying to figure out how to control a pwm using a thermistor. At present it is controlled by a pot. Some details:
Pwm is controlled by pot. Voltage running through it is 5v. 5v results in 0% duty cycle and 0 volts 100% duty cycle or wot which then allows the full 12v to flow to the pump.

Application: want to use the pwm to control 12v water pump in an intercooler system in my 4x4. Want to replace pot with thermistor that will operate the pump at 1/2 speed when @ 40°c (or perhaps 30, have to run further tests) and increase speed to wot @60°c. The actual temperature settings at this point in time are irrelevant as its just a matter of playing with resesitors.

Problem: tried replacing in the thermistor. I could only get a ntc type which are non linear which is not ideal but will do. Made more difficult because resistance decreases with temperature.

Initially created a dividing circuit resulting in about 5v going to the pwm which means its 0% duty cycle. To control the pwm the way I want I'm looking at an input voltage (to the pwm) of between 2.5 - 0 volts. I have a bread board which I have been playing with resistors etc but I am no good at the maths which would make it a lot easier than guessing and i have not come close at getting the outputs I need.

I hope it's clear as mud. Any help appreciated. I would draw a picture i knew how to add it.
Cheers
Mat
 
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LDC3

Joined Apr 27, 2013
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Hi all,
Been bashing my head trying to figure out how to control a pwm using a thermistor. At present it is controlled by a pot. Some details:
Pwm is controlled by pot. Voltage running through it is 5v. 5v results in 0% duty cycle and 0 volts 100% duty cycle or wot which then allows the full 12v to flow to the pump.

Application: want to use the pwm to control 12v water pump in an intercooler system in my 4x4. Want to replace pot with thermistor that will operate the pump at 1/2 speed when @ 40°c (or perhaps 30, have to run further tests) and increase speed to wot @60°c. The actual temperature settings at this point in time are irrelevant as its just a matter of playing with resesitors.

Problem: tried replacing in the thermistor. I could only get a ntc type which are non linear which is not ideal but will do. Made more difficult because resistance decreases with temperature.

Initially created a dividing circuit resulting in about 5v going to the pwm which means its 0% duty cycle. To control the pwm the way I want I'm looking at an input voltage (to the pwm) of between 2.5 - 0 volts. I have a bread board which I have been playing with resistors etc but I am no good at the maths which would make it a lot easier than guessing and i have not come close at getting the outputs I need.

I hope it's clear as mud. Any help appreciated. I would draw a picture i knew how to add it.
Cheers
Mat
All thermisters are NTC; that is their fame. Probably the best way to get your voltage levels is to have the thermister as one side of a bridge and feed the result into an op-amp that outputs your control.
 

ScottWang

Joined Aug 23, 2012
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Voltage to duty cycle : 5V → 0%, 0V → 100%.
Temperature range : 30℃ ~ 60℃ ?
thermistor : what's the range of resistors?
Pwm voltage : 2.5V - 0V.

Are these correct?
You have to figure out a values of range comparing to the others -- the proportion, and using Op Amp to get the results.
 

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mad_mat222

Joined Aug 14, 2013
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Thanks ScottWang. That is a lot prettier than my waffle.

The resistance of the thermistor at room temperature is as below and then rapidly ( non linearly) decreases in resistance as temperature increases

25°c ≈ 114Ω
30°c ≈ 74Ω
40°c ≈ 52Ω
50°c ≈ 20Ω
60°c ≈ 14Ω

Using a cheap multimeter and a glass of hot water so these value are ≈ at best but the values themselves are easily changed its getting the flaming circuit done that is the hard part.

To previous comment. I initially was look at ptc thermistors as this seemed to be exactly what I was looking for but can't get them here. Anyway I'm sure you genius' will be able to guide
 

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