Regarding Credit:

In god we trust, all others must pay cash.

 

I think Bill has got it all wrong about the true Muslim world. It is the Media that you watch that is corrupting your mind.

You know what I believe in those who kills bill.
Those who kills actually does not belong to any religion.
Killing is the darkest sins any one can commit.
Those who kill in the name of Jihad are f*****g pieces of s**t. I would spit on those type of believers.

Jihad means a lot of things. But it does not apply to anyone killing an innocent human this I guarantee.
No human, under no circumstances should take his own life. This is clearly revealed in the Qur'aan. Life is not for you to take. And if you did you will be condemned in hell for ever.
So, tell me how can a suicide bomber do Jihad in the name of Allah.
They are f******g pathetic.
Those who blow themselves up taking innocent lives with them are being brain washed in the name of Allah. It is those who are behind this that are the true culprits who always has some kind of vengeance in their heart.

They do a pretty good job in brainwashing young minds and making terrorists.
Any logical mind will know that.

 

You get an A+. Some of the most prominent citizens in the United States don't know that. Are you a US citizen?
John

No I am not, I am a citizen of Norway. But I remember it from school(long long time ago). Our teacher was a little bit on the "red" side. He made some sarcastic comments on the motto. Besides mention that this motto is printed or engraved on many coins and bank notes from USA. That is why I remember it.

 

Yeah, the guys going to mosques (a Holy Site) to kill fellow Muslims because they wash their feet differently is a media lie. I don't think so.

You really need to stop and look at the facts. Of course, one of the key premise of the United States, the one thing that has made it incredibly special, is the facts are not withheld. Twisted by special interests, yes, but we have a lot of special interests, so anyone who is interested can filter the details out. That is what you refer to as the media, Freedom of Speech, think about it. I find it interesting that the vast majority of Islamic nations find the concept abhorrent, even the democracies, which are few.

Unlike a lot of people, I do not think this is something unique with Muslims, history shows numerous examples, such as the IRA (Irish Republican Army). It is all too human, and revolves around hatred and feelings of superiority (and the need to make the others pay). Therefore I do not hold it against the majority of decent Muslim people. Who, BTW, are eligible to become FreeMasons if they are of good character and male.

 

Are you a Freemason Bill? Your avatar kind of give you away. Both the use of colors and the Square and Compasses. In God We Trust is also related to Freemasonry, besides being the official motto of the United States.

I am. If you would like to know more about me I have several paragraphs devoted about my favorite subject, Me! in my blog. It is under Introduction and PaintCAD.

If you are interested in the subject feel free to start a thread and I will talk your head off.

 

The IRA is against free speech?

 

I am. If you would like to know more about me I have several paragraphs devoted about my favorite subject, Me! in my blog. It is under Introduction and PaintCAD.
If you are interested in the subject feel free to start a thread and I will talk your head off.

Thank you for your kind offer Bill. Maybe I do it some time later. Then the forum has cooled some. Just now it is not the correct time. And to night I am going to watch a clasic on DVD. It is a conspiracy movie from 1974. The Conversation with Gene Hackman.

 

The IRA is against free speech?

No free speech in the UK since a bit before WWII. I don't know whether the IRA supports that or not.

Even in our very good neighbor to the North, you can be fined and imprisoned for saying things that aren't nice.

John

 

The IRA is against free speech?

Dude that is very futile comment. Go to the library and get the bigger picture. And I will not comment any further on this topic.

 

No free speech in the UK since a bit before WWII. I don't know whether the IRA supports that or not.

Even in our very good neighbor to the North, you can be fined and imprisoned for saying things that aren't nice.

John

I agree there is no real freedom of speech in Ireland (please do not confuse the republic of Ireland with the United Kingdom) but this is not specific to the IRA.

In Canada, freedom of expression is ‘guaranteed’ by the charter of rights and freedoms. The only current legal limitation is when it comes to the promotion of hate or genocide, which are illegal under the criminal code.

John, you are fooling yourself if you believe that freedom of speech is truly guaranteed in any country. Even the US of A.

 

I will disagree with you most strongly in this reguard. There are specific cases, where a hoax will cause deaths (such as yelling "FIRE" in crowded theater) that are legal, but not if there really is a fire. The government does suppress free speech, but this is an illegal activity, which is not what I was talking about. Fortunately our courts are prickly about such issues, and they have clout.

It is one of the reasons I am not so quick to condemn Wiki Leaks, governments in general reflexively suppress information to cover their butts, even when it is inappropriate.

BTW, Freedom of Speech also includes movies. I seem to remember that the Indiana Jones movie was banned in the UK because it showed human sacrifice.

I guess I have to say there is another example within the USA, where pornographic material is kept private. Pedophiles are prosecuted for having illegal pictures on their computers, so I have to admit it isn't so cut and dried. However, if it is in the public interest the government of the USA does have a much harder time than most countries suppressing information.

 

"Don't ask, don't tell" probably counts as a restriction of freedom of speech too. I know it's just been repealed, but there are probably other examples.

 

Dude that is very futile comment. Go to the library and get the bigger picture. And I will not comment any further on this topic.

Dude, it was a rhetorical question. Also, I am Irish.

Please name one army, anywhere, which allows free speech amongst its ranks, or that operates without publishing contrived propaganda. Or name a single army that has not suppressed, by whatever means, the propaganda or expression of its enemies. Terrorist or not. However, no one would claim the US army was somehow ‘against’ free speech, would they?

So, the point I was trying to make was, why would one expect the IRA to be for free speech in the first place. It just seems like a nonsense claim to say they are against it.

The Sinn Fein, the political side of the Irish rebellion, has nothing, a priori, against freedom of speech.

 

"Don't ask, don't tell" probably counts as a restriction of freedom of speech too. I know it's just been repealed, but there are probably other examples.

There is very limited freedom of speech in the military. A mistake often made by people is to equate our Constitutional freedoms to the workplace, including the army. Moreover, in the army additional freedoms are relinquished for the sake of discipline and effectiveness.

As for yelling fire in a theater, sure there are things that cannot be said without repercussions. You can't go through airport security and say you have a gun and intend to blow up the place either.

My point is that in the United States our freedom of speech is almost unlimited. We can burn our flag. We can call the president anything we want. You can characterize any religion anyway you want. You can dress, march, and belong to the Nazi party. There are very few limitations on our freedom of speech, and they are almost all related to when the speech becomes a threat. But, those limitations are very narrow. The threat has to be specific and credible.

There is no other country that enjoys such freedoms.

John

 

I will disagree with you most strongly in this reguard.

Bill, I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with?

Edit: Never mind Bill....I figured it out.

 

We can burn our flag.

This one very nearly went away in 2007 if I'm not mistaken. I think it should go away. To me, it's not right to burn your country's emblem. If you hate your country that much, just move.

 

Don't want to point out the contradiction, but...

....I am not a religious guy but I like to know what you think....

Is it because that I am a Muslim.
If you have a grudge against Muslims that you really dunno what or how a true Muslim behaves....

Muslim or not?

 

We have freedom of speech.
But we can't swear and we should not threaten.
And Obviously one should not burn one country's emblem.

 

Don't want to point out the contradiction, but...
Muslim or not?

tom
what are you up to now.

{ed}
tom....do you have issues with religion or religious guys...what about Christians?

 

To me, it's not right to burn your country's emblem. If you hate your country that much, just move.

I agree completely with that part of what you say. It is commonly being said in such discussions of free speech today that you can burn a flag, but you can't burn a cross. As disgusting as both are, I think both should be allowed, unless there is a clear threat against an individual. Making such distinctions based on the content of the message is a slippery slope.

John