# Wien-Bridge Oscillator Help

Discussion in 'General Electronics Chat' started by sjgallagher2, Oct 10, 2013.

1. ### sjgallagher2 Thread Starter Member

Feb 6, 2013
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I built a Wien-Bridge oscillator with an LM324N op amp, here's the circuit:

The values are as follows:
+/- supply of 15V
R=100k
Rs=100k
Rf=200k
C=320pF

I'm simulating in multisim, and there's simply nothing going on above the nV level. I got this circuit directly from a book (Practical Electronics for Inventors 3rd ed.) and all the values are the same. Except there's no op amp specified in that schematic, so I put in the LM324n, seeing as I had a few lying around. Help me figure out what's going wrong?

2. ### Alec_t AAC Fanatic!

Sep 17, 2013
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Try increasing the value of Rf slightly.

3. ### GopherT AAC Fanatic!

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Do you have a -15 volt, ground, and -15 volt power supply?

If not, you will need to make a virtual ground for the ground connections at 1/2 of your single supply voltage. Google "virtual ground" circuit. Best done with a pair of 10k resistors and an opAmp.

4. ### LvW Active Member

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Yes - the gain must be somewhat larger than 3 in order to let the oscillator start safely.
Moreover, it is necessary to give it at t=0 something like a "kick".
Either switch the power supplies on at t=0 or provide a so called "initial condition" (some millivolts) to one of the capacitors.
I am sure, the circuit will oscillate at 5 kHz.

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5. ### sjgallagher2 Thread Starter Member

Feb 6, 2013
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You guys were right! That made the simulation work. Although now I'm having issues with the practical model I'll figure that one out on my own. Thanks.

6. ### Veracohr Well-Known Member

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Wien-bridge oscillators have a really small sweet spot where the oscillation actually works. Make the gain variable and try to find that sweet spot, it's unlikely to be exactly at theoretically correct gain amount. Alternatively, look for designs that use diodes in the feedback path for stabilization.