And that is relevant to my post.... how?See the article above
And that is relevant to my post.... how?See the article above
Okay, I can see your point, but now the thread is starting to look like an argument between Einstein and Tesla. Who is the better scientist? Einstein is a genius in physics, Tesla is a genius in Electronics. You can't compare the two and decide that one is "better than the other". That's what this thread is turning into. A cat is smart in many ways that a dog is not, and a dog is smart in many ways that a cat is not.Ok, so we're on the same page. Species adapt. In the presence of excessive "idiot-proofing", the human species is now in a situation where less intellect is required to accomplish the same work, so we are adapting to the new intelligence requirement (getting stupider).
Cats adapt. put a kitten in woods of a national forest and it will become a one-cat killing machine. Cut a kitten's nuts off and stick it in a room full of stuffed bunnies and a never-depleting food supply and it will turn into an untrainable fat worthless blob.
Dogs adapt. Throw a puppy into post-natural disaster area and it will find a pack and rule the streets. Again, cut it's nuts off, yadda yadaa, it's fat and lazy, but can still be trained to do tricks and what not.
Why is being a pack animal also being considered to a trait of inferior intellect? It seems obvious to me that teamwork is a higher function. Put "works best alone" on your resume and see how many hits you get compared to your buddy who puts "team player"
See the post it was responding to.And that is relevant to my post.... how?
I did. The post was about intelligence exhibited by dogs both in the wild and as domestic animals. Cats training humans has more to do with humans being delusional. The first sentence started, "Paranoid cat owners....."See the post it was responding to.
No, the statement was that being trainable was a sign of high intelligence (it was being argued that since dogs can be trained and cats can't, then dogs are smarter than cats). The article states that cats are indeed "training" humans, which would suggest that they are smarter than them.I did. The post was about intelligence exhibited by dogs both in the wild and as domestic animals. Cats training humans has more to do with humans being delusional. The first sentence started, "Paranoid cat owners....."
This debate isn't heated, just passionate, and I know joey is passionate about dogs, especially GSD.Okay, I can see your point, but now the thread is starting to look like an argument between Einstein and Tesla. Who is the better scientist? Einstein is a genius in physics, Tesla is a genius in Electronics. You can't compare the two and decide that one is "better than the other". That's what this thread is turning into. A cat is smart in many ways that a dog is not, and a dog is smart in many ways that a cat is not.
Before we post again, perhaps we could think about where this thread is really going. We've turned a piece of innocent humor into an argument over which is better. I'm pretty sure this isn't what the OP had in mind, so perhaps we should rethink our responses a little better
No, it said "Paranoid humans think they are being trained. All of the complex tasks dogs are able to perform require high intelligence, as described in my post, and has been documented. Paranoid humand thinking their cats trained them, or whatever paranoid episode ( abduction by aliens come to mind ) doesn't change that fact.DerStorm8 said:The article states that cats are indeed "training" humans, which would suggest that they are smarter than them.
Did you even read the article? It has nothing to do with "paranoid humans thinking their cats trained them". It is scientifically proven, which is just as legitimate as your statement that science has proven that a dog's ability to be trained is a form of high intelligence.No, it said "Paranoid humans think they are being trained. All of the complex tasks dogs are able to perform require high intelligence, as described in my post, and has been documented. Paranoid humand thinking their cats trained them, or whatever paranoid episode ( abduction by aliens come to mind ) doesn't change that fact.
There was alot of context and content lost in that statement. Taken out of context, you might show I was making an unsupported statement, when in fact, I had alot more to say.DerStorm8 said:the statement was that being trainable was a sign of high intelligence
Not by me. I simply tried to show how training and performing complex tasks exhibited high itelligence. I made no statement about who is smarter.it was being argued that since dogs can be trained and cats can't, then dogs are smarter than cats
I did read the article. The very first sentence in the article mentioned "Parnoid cat owners..." The article states that a cat's purr triggers an instinct in humans. Instinct is a primitive emotion, not a trained one. Also, it says cat's learn to use a particular cry to get food, so in fact, cats are being trained.Did you even read the article? It has nothing to do with "paranoid humans thinking their cats trained them". It is scientifically proven, which is just as legitimate as your statement that science has proven that a dog's ability to be trained is a form of high intelligence.
So selective breeding and evolution have aboslutely nothing in common? Selective breeding which has been done with dogs speeds up evolution 1000 fold. Your looking for those mutations that make it faster, smarter, or what ever trait you may want to help in its survival. Technically they have evolved dogs and pigs to ride around in paris hiltons purse. Thats a pretty damn good adaption. Being a dog cute enough and small enough to fit into a purse.As mentioned before, "training" is not the same as "evolving". I believe Mr RB did a fantastic job of explaining my exact point. Read back a couple of posts and maybe you'll see what I'm talking about
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