Why does my Opamp's gain increase with frequency?

Discussion in 'Homework Help' started by notreallyamaster, Mar 14, 2016.

1. notreallyamaster Thread Starter New Member

Mar 14, 2016
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Hi there,

I just built up a two-stage operational amplifier circuit using 0.18 um CMOS process in LTspice. When making an AC analysis, I was expecting that the output gain would decrease as the frequency increases, but instead, the gain increases with frequency.

You can see the image of the circuit and bode plot here: http://imgur.com/RlHr1FX
The 0.18 um CMOS library file is here: http://www.ee.iitm.ac.in/~nagendra/cadinfo/tsmc018.lib

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!

2. #12 Expert

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No, you just simulated.
Not that this is a good answer, but you must consider who's doing the plotting.

3. StayatHomeElectronics Well-Known Member

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I cannot view the image very well, as I am on a phone right now, but have you plotted both the magnitude and phase on the bode plot?

4. crutschow Expert

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I suspect the parasitic circuit capacitances are causing some positive feedback at those high frequencies, which shows up as an increase in gain.
If you probe the various circuit nodes you may be able to determine where this is happening.

5. notreallyamaster Thread Starter New Member

Mar 14, 2016
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Yes, I only simulated it

When I click on a node, LTspice automatically plots both magnitude and phase.

Thank you for the answer. I just probed various circuit nodes as you said, and this happens on almost every node.

6. StayatHomeElectronics Well-Known Member

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Which curve on you plot is the magnitude and which is the phase?

Looking at the graph with no other input I would have guessed the top line was the magnitude and the bottom line was the phase. I have been wrong before...

7. crutschow Expert

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The solid line is magnitude.

8. notreallyamaster Thread Starter New Member

Mar 14, 2016
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Yes, the solid line is magnitude.

I think I found out the solution for this issue. Adding a compensation capacitor of 10pF between Vout and source pin of M5 resolved the issue, now my gain is decreasing as the frequency increases as I was expecting. However, my purpose was to design an op amp that has an open-loop gain of 5000 and this one's gain is around 1000. I have been trying different width and length parameters but I haven't managed to see a gain of 5000 yet. But this is not the question I asked on the topic title, so I guess I have to find it myself

Thanks...

9. GopherT AAC Fanatic!

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Nobody else stops when they find the solution to their original question...

10. ErnieM AAC Fanatic!

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Achieving a gain of 5000 all in one amp is very tough.

Achieving a gain of 70.7 in each of two amps is much simpler.

That is what I did when designing a hi frequency amp with a min gain of 1,000, though hi frequency and hi gain opens another can of worms.