why a 9V battery in a fm transmitter?

bertus

Joined Apr 5, 2008
22,278
Hello,

Most FM spy transmitters are low power.
A 9 Volts battery makes them portable.

There are also schematics with more power that use a 12 Volts powersupply.

Greetings,
Bertus
 

Audioguru

Joined Dec 20, 2007
11,248
Most FM transmitters are simple and cheap. They will transmit the hum from a simple and cheap 9V power supply.
A 9V battery does not produce hum.
 

thatoneguy

Joined Feb 19, 2009
6,359
In some of the designs, power output is limited by the power supply. In the US, powering a circuit designed for a low-current/high impedance 9V battery with a high current/low impedance power supply could violate FCC regulations.
 

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kazafken

Joined Jun 19, 2008
8
i see..thanks,guys.

anyway,i tested that the 9 v battery produce a cleaner and more noiseless sound compare to using the power supply.

Is is because the power supply has its internal resistance?
 

Audioguru

Joined Dec 20, 2007
11,248
You don't want a power supply or battery to have an internal resistance.
The power supply probably made a hum or buzz noise in the transmitter because it wasn't filtered enough.
 

thatoneguy

Joined Feb 19, 2009
6,359
A battery will give less signal noise relative to most power supplies, noise would come from the power supply as Audioguru stated.

My post was merely informational, using an antenna different than design, different power supply, and other considerations of a transmitter can put the effective radiated power to the point it interferes with neighbors. The .gov won't come knock your door down (usually), unless it is a commercial product or gross negligence. At the same time, people don't like interference if they are trying to get a DX station (Far away/weak signal).
 

Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
23,429
Something else, most oscillators of this type are extremely sensitive to power supply variations, so an extremely slight ripple becomes exagerated beyond what it would normally be. A battery will drift over time, but slowly.
 
last week i was working on wireless mic

and i have practically come across all what has already been discussed

like i got an enormouse distortion in audio signal using 9V power supply

and high frequency noises, which eventully decreased the sensitivity of the circuit.

i got a simple solution for all that problems when i accidently biased the

circuit with 9V battery.
 

radiohead

Joined May 28, 2009
514
to help eliminate the hum, try using putting a 220 uF cap across the pos and neg of the power source, it acts like a filter. Also, use an RF choke in series with your power input. That should take care of it.
 

ELECTRONERD

Joined May 26, 2009
1,147
Power supplies aren't perfect. Here is what a simple power supply does:

They take the AC from an outlet which then leads into a transformer. This transformer steps the 110V down to a lower voltage (say 12V for example; it depends on the number of turns on the transformer) then it gets rectified from diodes. These diodes chop off the negative portion of the 12V AC signal. Diodes have what we call "insertion loss," so some of the voltage is reduced because this loss. So usually a transformer will do 110V to 12.6V because the diodes have a .6V loss. Then you have a capacitor. When the 12V is at the peak the capacitor is charged, then when it is not at the peak the capacitor discharges but makes it a lot more steady and straight. So simply put, the capacitor reduces ripple.

Now if you put that power supply that I just described on a oscilloscope, you would still be able to see a small amount of ripple whereas a battery doesn't have this ripple.
 

radiohead

Joined May 28, 2009
514
Bugs are illegal, but Frequency Modulated Wireless Microphones are not. Go figure. Also, on poorly designed transmitters, the frequency will tend to drift as the battery dies, unless you use lithium batteries.
 

Rotex

Joined Jun 25, 2009
5
Battery produces clean dc voltage while power supply after being rectified may still produce some ripples which will cause humming at the output. Also if PWM is used inappropriately, radio frequency noice may occur which may affect other electronic devices connected to the same power supply.
 
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