Water Analogy and Incompressibility

Discussion in 'Physics' started by mOOse, Aug 28, 2007.

  1. mOOse

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    Aug 22, 2007
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    In the water analogy, the pressure is higher before a resistor (restriction)
    than after it, just like a voltage drop. But does that mean that the density of
    water is higher before the restriction than after it? It seems logical, but
    I've heard of the "incompressibility" of water and am wondering what that
    means (and if its just an ideal). In the water analogies, they sometimes talk
    of "mass flow rate" and sometimes of "volume flow rate". I guess if water is
    "incompressible" in the sense that it's mass density does not change under
    pressure changes, then these two kinds of flow rate would be equivalent.

    Reading:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_analogy
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/watcir.html
    http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/watcir2.html
     
  2. beenthere

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    Apr 20, 2004
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    If fluids were compressable, then modern hydraulic equipment (including automobile brakes) would not work. Water's mass density is greatest at 4 deg. C.

    I don't find that current in a wire and water flowing through a pipe relate very well.
     
  3. niftydog

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    Jun 13, 2007
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    I found the water analogy useful in the first few weeks of my diploma - but if you analyse it too much you soon discover many inconsistencies that can give you the wrong impression. I would urge you to consider what's actually happening rather than trying to reconcile reality with the analogy.
     
  4. recca02

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    Apr 2, 2007
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    water(most real fluids) is compressible to a very small extent meaning they require huge force to make any noteworthy changes in volume.
    hence density changes by a small value.
    from what i think mass flow rate is good for consideration where water may change to steam like in high pressure boilers where their density changes with both temp and pressure. also since most calculation of enthalpy and work done involve mass.
    in thermodynamics we use specific volume which is inverse of density.
     
  5. steeve_wai

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    Sep 13, 2007
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    DEAR FRIEND,
    ANALOGIES SELDOM GIVE THE CORRECT PICTURE.i have experienced the same myself.
    anyway here is a link that provides yet another analogy.do ponder over the question given below, after you have visited the link.

    http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~vawter/PhysicsNet/Topics/DC-Current/WaterFlowAnalog.html


    NOW TELL ME WHAT WILL THE DIAGRAM LOOK LIKE IN THE CASE OF A ZERO RESISTANCE WIRE, A SUPERCONDUCTOR FOR INSTANCE.
    good luck
     
  6. ixisuprflyixi

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    Sep 16, 2007
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    Moose, I could be wrong but when you were told about "mass flow rate" and "volume flow rate" I think the analogy was just trying to convey the idea of voltage and current flow. Current being the mass or amount of flow and volume of charge being electromotive force or voltage. Like the other guys say just use the water analogy to get a hang of what voltage and current may be. Once you get past, voltage is like water pressure and current is like amount of water flow you can pretty much let the water analogy go. Water compressability and thinking of fluid mechanics and dynamics will really start to screw with you . :) hope that helps
     
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