One might conceive of a country with a disruptive element in it that had overpowered the legitimate government and wishes of the people. That government might need our help to get rid of the disruptive element. Off hand, I can't think of any example that meets that situation. If you think of Cuba, for example, that was a revolution in which the masses of the people seemed to side with the insurgents.You are forgetting something Loosewire. We are not at war with the Afghanis. We are at war with terrorists IN Afghanistan. So we cant treat the locals like the enemy...or THEY WILL BECOME the enemy.
It's good to know that I'm not alone.I'm one of the weirdos that thought the USA should have declared the war on Al-Qaeda, its spinoffs, and the Taliban instead of the liberty consuming War on Terror (a war that can never end). Of course that would have left Iraq out of the picture.
Uhhh, no. You need to add a bit of true physics instead of paranoia to flavor that.Don't forget about google earth,they p.u. a lot vibes,can they see thru
your roof when needed under contract.
Agreed.The real problem is not technology, it is people willing to give up their rights in the name of safety. This is not a partisan issue, this is an awareness issue.
From here, the list is in many places on the net, thoughCongressional RecordAppendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963
Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
At Mrs. Nordmans request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following Current Communist Goals, which she identifies as an excerpt from The Naked Communist, by Cleon Skousen:
[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. [What was Obama just in Russia talking about?]
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. [same]
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. [same]
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. [No Ko, China, Iran, Cuba]
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. [Done]
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. [same]
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N. [same]
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchevs promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. [had been done but Germany fooled 'em]
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress. [done]
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. [done]
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.) [done]
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.[done]
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.[done - pledge of allegiance?]
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office. [done]
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. [done]
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. [done]
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks. [done]
18. Gain control of all student newspapers. [done]
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. [done]
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions. [done]
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. [done]
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms. [done]
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art. [done - certainly can't have anything patriotic - must be crucifixes in pee or something]
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free press. [done]
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. [done]
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural, healthy. [done]
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a religious crutch. [done]
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of separation of church and state. [done]
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. [done]
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the common man. [done]
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the big picture. Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. [done - in high school and college - I wasn't taught pre czar era much]
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the cultureeducation, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. [done]
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. [done]
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. [done]
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. [not done]
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. [done]
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. [working]
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. [done]
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. [done]
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. [done]
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. [done]
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems. [done]
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. [done]
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. [done]
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
10 Conditions For Transition To Communism
- Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
- A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
- Abolition of all right of inheritance.
- Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
- Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
- Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
- Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
- Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
- Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country.
- Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of childrens factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.[7
I thought the posts didn't need to match the topic title, hence the name.Do they have a forum dedicated to "Off-Topic" relevance? If they don't, someone needs to establish one.
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