# voltage scaling

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1. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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Hi I need to convert 3.7 to 4.7 volt into 1 to 5 volt
I know it can be done with opamp but I don't have any idea what can I do in this
Plz any one can help me..!!!

2. ### crutschow Expert

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What supply voltages do you have?
How accurate does the shift need to be?

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3. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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Actually I'm converting RTD resistance into 4to20 ma current and output of bridged & instrumentation amplifier is 3.7 to 4.7 volts so I need 1 to 5 that can easily converted into 4-20ma
My power supply will be 30v(+15 -15) to opamp

4. ### MikeML AAC Fanatic!

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So what is the RTD min and max resistance over your range of interest? There may be a way of doing it more directly.

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5. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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for RTD pt100
at o c' -> 100 ohm
and at 100 c' -> 138 ohm
plz help if can

6. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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@MikeML hi id try to simulate your ckt but dont getting exact results
which one is input v1(you show 4.6v) or v2

7. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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hay hay hay thanxxx its working
thanxx a lot

8. ### MikeML AAC Fanatic!

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V1 is a fixed offset of 4.600V. Note that this must be very precise. A 1mV error causes a 3mV error at the output. Watch it if it is a trim pot off +15V.
V2 is the input that varies from 3.7 to 4.7V

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9. ### #12 Expert

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May I suggest using fixed resistors to make a trim pot work in a small range of voltages. That's one way to get a more accurate voltage setting.

For instance, if you're trying to get 4.6V out of a 5V supply, put a 4.7 k resistor under a 1 k pot. That way the pot works from 4.1 volt to 5 volts.

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10. ### MikeML AAC Fanatic!

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Yeah, but if the 5V supply drifts from 5.000 to 5.050 (1% change), the output of the scaling opamp shifts 3%, i.e., it is ratiometric. In the OP's case, he is likely trying to get 4.600V from his +15V supply. How stable is that?

In any case, I would use a voltage divider, followed by an opamp voltage-follower to drive the left end of R1 (see post #4). Or use a real voltage reference like (wait for it) TL431 to make the 4.600V.

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11. ### MikeML AAC Fanatic!

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As promised, here is the basis of producing your voltage directly using only one opamp. You would have to tweak the gain and offset a bit, but you could do it

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12. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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@MikeML thanks for sharing your experiences.
Do you have circuits for making 4.600v power supply
Like you say to use TL431

13. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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Thanks @MikeML I'll try it tomorrow morning..

14. ### MikeML AAC Fanatic!

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Try this for a relatively stable adjustable voltage reference.

If you keep the instrumentation amplifier, you will need a stable voltage reference for it, too...

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15. ### #12 Expert

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Oh look! R4 is a trim pot in series with a fixed resistor. I wish I had thought of that!

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17. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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Hi now my inputs is changed to 3.2 to 4.8 into 1-5volts so if I use your calculations than I'm getting some variation about 1 volt can you fix it?

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19. ### MikeML AAC Fanatic!

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I am away from the computer where I did the sim before. I'll be over there tomorrow and redo it with you new specs.

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20. ### hardik vamja Thread Starter New Member

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Ok
Okk tynqx....