V1C torroid

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  1. kunadude

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    My V1C torroid will easily produce 60kv. With 800 turns aiding bifilar, 8 turn primary and 200 turn secondary.
    As you can see, it doesn't follow the standard turns ratio of a transformer.
    Only the seconary and primary do, while the bifilar boosts it much greater.
    Both bifilar and secondary are 24ga and primary is half in flat copper strip.
    I don't have a diode yet for rectification. Since the potential is too high.
    In fact, I will either have to power it with 5v or less or or remove another 100
    Turns off the secondary winding in order to lower the output before I
    Damage the transformer.

    Bifilar in aiding fashion is the way to go if you want high potentials with only a
    Moddest number of windings. Something no single wrap coil could ever achieve
    With the same number of windings.
     
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  2. beenthere

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    60 KV will easily arc long distances if not submerged in oil. It's also enough to produce very penetrating X rays. Although I have problems with your claim to have actually produced that voltage. Not much insulation is good for more than 600 volts.

    For all the overunity enthusiasts, I might remind them that the original patent by Stan Meiyer claimed to have results with a 5 X stepup. That worked out to 130 volts. If someone is trying to get the word out that higher voltages are necessary, they are lying to you. They keep fooling around with voltages and such because the original material was a fairy tale, and the circuit was never intended to function. You have been scammed.
     
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  3. kunadude

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    Your partially correct. The coil only produced some 36kv before arcing.
    And had to be rewound. You obviously never built a tesla coil. Which easily
    Can reach that voltage and over that without submerged in oil. Open to the air.
    If the end of the coil isn't shielded from the top torroid or end capacitive plate
    Well it will. A simple wimhurst that I've used in ion effect stuff attemting
    Townsend browns claims reaches higher voltages than 60kv on a good summer day.
    What's important, is that Stanley Myers method uses the work done on a molecule
    By voltage potential alone. And is not new to him. It has actually been around
    As a more efficient technique for a decade now and only repops back up every
    So often. The method does work at low voltages but not as good as when using
    Higher voltages, since the method is quite different from brute force dc.
    Many ppl who have attempted it, use 24v or less and are merely pulsing it. And
    Worse yet, thru a opposed bifilar at low voltages. It works but probably in most
    Cases not any better than a well made ordinary dc fuel cell. Which causes them
    To simply stop their tinkering right there at that point.
    Meyers used several arrangements, some opposed bifilar and many non-opposed
    Bifilar ckts. The reason the opposed came about was to inhibit electron flow
    Into the cell while doubling up as a resistance in consumming electrons from the
    Water bath during the process. In others he used high voltage of 20kv or more
    Together with a ckt that consumed the electrons liberated from the separation
    Of the water molecule. Ppl forget, that the becomes a source of current during
    The dissasociarion process and works better if you can remove that generated
    Free electron source thru an external ckt. This current is in addition to what you
    Are putting into or thu the cell. Its the liberated electron as the water splits.
    Fuel cells made commercially due this. They provide a path for the electrons
    To travel outside and recombine elsewhere. Not all those electrons are from you
    Input source but also from the water itself.
    Its already costing you power to split the water. Simply recover or shuttle that current
    Plus electrons that become liberated by the work you just performed and collect
    That as well. Since its the voltage doing the work, you can recover some 60-70 percent
    Of your source current and send it thru an external circuit. That ckt also provides a
    Sink a path for the libereated free current as well.
    Rules for hv pulse dc electrolysis:
    1)High voltage 10kv or better low current
    2).Means for extracting the electrons produced from the selectrolysis process
    #2 is what many miss. Simply making an opposed bifilar to restrictcurrent.
    You still have lots produced during the splitting water process you have to
    Remove.
    3)A ramped voltage across the cell similar to sawtooth is ideal but done in pulsed steps.
    The reason is that the molecule expands held between the unipolar field. Stretching like a rubber
    Band. Then during the off time of the gate freq, the cell recovers and looses charge ideally
    On the plates, only to repeat when pulse train is on again. You get a molecule that stretches
    Then collapes over and over. Vibrating the molecule. Electro-statically.
    To get a good ramp, a resistance is placed across the cell which is simply a HV capacitor.
    Treat as you would a bleeder resistor across a capacitor for a tesla coil. So as to safely allow
    It to drain its charge. With the right resistance a nice stepped voltage is developed.
    That bleeder resistor becomes your current consuming means and enhances gas
    Production. But there's no reason that bleeder resistance can't be part of another useful
    Circuit such as feedback -
     
  4. kunadude

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    From benthere:

    For all the overunity enthusiasts, I might remind them that the original patent by Stan Meiyer claimed to have results with a 5 X stepup. That worked out to 130 volts. If someone is trying to get the word out that higher voltages are necessary, they are lying to you. They keep fooling around with voltages and such because the original material was a fairy tale, and the circuit was never intended to function. You have been scammed.

    Sounds like your quoting other people and not meyers technical briefs. Unless you are
    Referring to his earlier work where he used low voltage that was simply 60hz half wave
    Rectification. the initial tests he did was to see if pulsing would work, later he used 10kv
    Pulses and higher which are covered very explicitly in his patents. Have you even seen or
    Read them? Don't simply slam because your following the rest of the wolves jumping
    On my posts. The funny thing is about some of these guys slams and jocking is that some
    Of it comes straight from MIT professors, so who's laughing at whom?

    Some of the jokers haven't even seen an electrical circuit let alone make one. Some
    Have but haven't experimented or used their electronics knowledge since they left school
    And work in unrelated careers that haven't used that education in years. And lately new
    Ideas have been coming out from various schools and companies which will literally change
    Our understanding of electromagnetic theory.
     
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  5. beenthere

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    Of course, like all the testimonials, there will be wondrous claims, no hardware to show for anything like proof (except in videos), and further requests for donations so the research can go on. Ideas mean nothing unless they can be used to produce something of substance.

    The "V1C toroid" is nothing more than a step up transformer. All the hype about special additional coils and improbably-placed diodes do not make it work. The big ferrite core is suited to rather low frequency operation. All the recent stuff we have seen is really reminiscent of R & D conducted on the principle of the infinite number of monkeys . The original patent claims successful operation under vastly different conditions. It continues to sound just like scammers trying to come up with new scams.

    You keep telling us things that can't be so. One of the last OP's claimed to have something running, but would not let any one see it or talk about the principle. How is any reasonable person to believe there is actually anything of substance when, so far, the claims and testimonials are all there is?

    Everyone is reminded that there is a standing offer of $1,000,000 for a real working device. The conditions to claim the prize are rather stringent - the device must be shown to work under controlled conditions, and not completely under the claimant's control. That prize is unclaimed - nobody can produce anything that works as they claim it does.

    So, what conclusions do we draw? Why, the same ones. It is a big scam. The posts here are a rather desperate effort to somehow get a bit of legitimacy to the silly claims by having unsupported testimonials and long, fanciful claims appear on this board. As extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, we remain unconvinced of anything but that the whole subject is a scam.
     
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