Use of Powers Act

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  1. chesart1

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    Here is the act President Bush is referring to about his phone tapping of conversations with suspected terrorists:

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

    SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.



    (a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

    (B) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

    (1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(B) of the War Powers Resolution.

    (2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

    Speaker of the House of Representatives.

    Vice President of the United States and

    President of the Senate.
     
  2. n9352527

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    One word... accountability
     
  3. beenthere

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    Government has won the war with socialism. Now it's fighting the war with democracy. (Have to give credit to Kim Stanley Robinson for that thought).
     
  4. chesart1

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    Hi,

    The pure form of socialism has never existed in the US. I believe you are referring to liberalism.

    The US government has not won the war on liberalism because the conservative method of eliminating poverty is as ineffective as the liberal method.

    Let me give you an oversimplified version of the two methods: The democrats of the 1960s threw money into the poverty programs in order to reduce poverty. The republicans took money away from the poverty programs. Neither method is effective.

    Liberalism is still very strong in our great country. If you don't believe me, look at all the programs Bush embraces in order to eliminate certain deseases such as aids.

    The liberalism of the 1960s no longer exists. For example, in the state of Connecticut, if you are not in workfare, you are not on welfare.

    In conclusion, it is the mixture of liberalism and conservatism that makes our nation a great place to live!

    John
     
  5. beenthere

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    Hi,

    For the record, I was referring to the nasty old commies. Possibly you missed the fun of the Cold War.
     
  6. thingmaker3

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    The dissolution of the Soviet Union ruined the spy-movie genre for me. :(

    Can someone translate the first post of this thread into English for me? And what's section 5(8 ) of the War Powers Resolution?
     
  7. chesart1

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    Thingmaker3,

    Can you please be more specific about what you don't understand in the first message? Thanks.

    Section 5 of the WAR POWERS RESOLUTION talks about the President's responsibility to keep Congress informed. Section 5c talks about Congress forcing the President to bring troops home. I think section 5c is the reason Bush is making so many speeches about the reasons we must stay in Iraq. For those who are interested, here is section five of the war powers act:

    SEC. 5. (a) Each report submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1) shall be transmitted to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate on the same calendar day. Each report so transmitted shall be referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives and to the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate for appropriate action. If, when the report is transmitted, the Congress has adjourned sine die or has adjourned for any period in excess of three calendar days, the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate, if they deem it advisable (or if petitioned by at least 30 percent of the membership of their respective Houses) shall jointly request the President to convene Congress in order that it may consider the report and take appropriate action pursuant to this section.

    (B) Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.

    © Notwithstanding subsection (B), at any time that United States Armed Forces are engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, such forces shall be removed by the President if the Congress so directs by concurrent resolution.
     
  8. pebe

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    Could you elaborate, please?
     
  9. thingmaker3

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    My confusion was primarily due to referencing of additional material. Thank you for providing it.
     
  10. chesart1

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