Toggle on of with timer555 and relay 2 different voltages with relay HELP

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  1. rastaman46

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    [​IMG] Toggle on of with timer555 and relay 2 different voltages with relay HELP



    Timer 555 and relay circuit with 2 different powers


    Hello im got circuit made of that image all works fine

    im using two power feeds

    one is 5V
    Other is 12V

    both can be run on same GND

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    but i want insert spdt relay in it to be able to turn 12v ground to relay so i get 12v of relay to my motor

    ne555 is on 5v

    i try but bad luck

    once im switch power on its pover coil up all ok but im cant tur in off by pressing same momentary button i need disable graund manually to set relay to N-O position when relay on im got N-C


    can any one help please
     
  2. t_n_k

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    Not exactly sure of your problem but - this seems to work in simulation mode.

    Is your relay a 12V coil type as I have assumed?

    The resistance (R5) shown in series with the relay coil is meant to be the coil resistance - not a separate resistor.

    The relay contacts would then be used to toggle switch the 12V supply to the motor.
     
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  3. rastaman46

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    hello thanks for replay


    did that image explains more then first

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    its works but cant switch of stays on all the time
     
  4. Wendy

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    Use a 5VDC relay. The contacts of the relay will handle the 12VDC side.

    That, or connect the + side of the relay to +12V, the transistor will switch to ground.

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    I started to give a long winded answer that had nothing to do with what you were talking about.

    555 Bistable Multivibrator
     
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  5. rastaman46

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    Any chance to convert that circuit to 12V

    so i dont need use relay ?
     
  6. praondevou

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    Yes, just replace the 5VDC with 12VDC. The 555 and transistor can handle these voltages. Don't forget the freewheeling diode on your motor.
     
  7. rastaman46

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    thanks boys u saved my week
     
  8. rastaman46

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    Hello im back again :(

    if im run 12v true circuit and connect 12v device on end on it its just stop work correctly

    "Dont go off buy one click" need press it from 10 to 20 times to get it off
    did my resistors cause it or device drain it to much device is only one amp
     
  9. Wendy

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    Show us your current schematic.

    Do you have any filter caps on this setup?

    Have you measured your 12V power supply when it switches?

    First guess, you are having a massive dropout of power supply voltage when your remote device is turned on. How much current does it pull.

    This being a form of flip flop it will be sensitive to power supply fluctuations.
     
  10. SgtWookie

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    You need to have an 0.1uF cap and a larger (1uF or higher) cap across the power supply pins of the 555 timer. You also must have a diode connected across the coil of the relay, or else when you turn the transistor off, there will be a high voltage spike from the relay that will kill the transistor. It will also upset the 555 timer.

    You probably have a lot of noise on your supply to your timer when the motor is on, which is why it keeps switching back on when you try to turn it off.
     
  11. rastaman46

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    Thanks for quick replay

    my schematics is this but instead 5V its on 12V and im avoid 2N3904 (that pas just 3.3V if im wright)

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    im got 10uf cap on im tryd 1000uf cap still the same works well with LEDS but not with fan on

    im just test voltage drop yes im got just 8V instead 12v when ip plug the fan on i can see leds change brightness.
     
  12. Wendy

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    It is entirely possible your relay is dropping out. You could use a transistor (either BJT or MOSFET) to turn the motor on instead. You will need the swamping diode as with the relay.

    What is the current of the motor?
     
  13. rastaman46

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    motor is DC12V 0.40A 2X


    but im check with with multimeter

    Motor and one LED on im got 8.85V

    Motor 2 LED on im got 7.95V

    im not use relay now because circuit start relay but when circuit off by button relay still stays on

    Did 10K can cause it? (for power drop or resistance)

    Sorry for nooby questions but just starting in "K and Ohm" world
     
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