Suppressing automotive voltage spikes

Discussion in 'Automotive Electronics' started by JConnor, Aug 2, 2016.

  1. JConnor

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    Hey guys,
    My motorcycle is known to have this problem where the ignition coil can fail in a way that sends a very high voltage spike through the electronics and damages the ECU. The repair costs thousands of dollars.

    When I connect a scope to my bike's battery with the engine running, I see a constant 14V with occasional transient spikes to 40-70VDC. I believe this is normal for an automotive power system, but it got me thinking. Would it be possible to place a device in the bike's electrical system (across the battery?) that would absorb voltage spikes of this type as well as in the case of a coil failure? Perhaps some type of TVS diode? Where would the device have to be placed in order to protect the entire system?

    Thank you :)
     
  2. #12

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    Nobody can tell you how to protect every part of an electrical system based on no information except, "It's a motorcycle."
    Even if you come back with a make, model, and wiring diagram, it's still a major job to figure out every possible failure mode.
    I think designing a spark coil that can fire into the ECU and destroy it is a bad design, but then, I think a car with 12 computers in it is a bad design, so don't believe me if you don't want to. I'd sell the car if I didn't think they all have a mass of unnecessary computers in them nowadays. You can still sell the motorcycle and get an old one without all the sensitive electronic systems designed for maximum Dealership profits.
     
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  3. KeepItSimpleStupid

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  4. Sensacell

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    The trend to make everything digital and over complicated has it's hidden cost.

    It's impossible to protect modern electronics from every possible source of damage, expect more unexpected failures.
     
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  5. #12

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    Seriously, I bought a 2005 Ford Explorer. Every MCU in it except the PCM and the transmission controller had failures, and that's about 8 of them.
    Being an electronics nerd, I simply disabled most of them. My motto about cars: I owned a 1948 Ford pick-up truck and it had everything I need except air conditioning. Why my present car needs 12 computers, I will never know.
     
  6. ion54

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    Best way to protect for spikes is to clamp at the source, That will imply you install a TVS rated at least 18V at the ignition coil input, in parallel with the coil.
    To make your life easier (no worries about polarity) I would suggest a bipolar TVS. Power dissipation of the TVS shall be in the range of 1500W.
     
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