# Square wave generator -HELP NEEDED PLZ-

Discussion in 'The Projects Forum' started by Mu86neer, Sep 16, 2009.

1. ### Mu86neer Thread Starter Member

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hi
i've been trying to design a square wave generator on multisim using 555 timer (astable), and the problem is that the output appears to be oscillating on the positive portion of the graph ( either positive amplitude or zero). in fact, it has to be fluctuating in both sides to convert it to triangle later on.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME

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2. ### beenthere Retired Moderator

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Remove C4 and R6. You can't use capacitive coupling with a square wave output.

3. ### Mu86neer Thread Starter Member

May 1, 2009
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well, i removed them and the problem is still there,,, there is only positive square amplitude ( how to make it oscillate in both positive and negative sides ? )

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Hello,

At what amplitude do you want the squarewave to go positive and negative?
Is there any power needed for this voltage?

Greetings,
Bertus

5. ### Mu86neer Thread Starter Member

May 1, 2009
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its basically DC input which is converted into square waveform that has positive and negative amplitudes,,, multivibrators (astable) shows two states either positive max amplitude or zero.
thus, the question is how to make this circuit proceeds to the negative side,though its a square signal ..

6. ### beenthere Retired Moderator

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Look at your circuit. The 555 is powered by +10 volts and ground. The output can only be 0 or +10 volts. A negative voltage does not exist in the circuit as it is.

For an output with positive and negative excursions, put + 5 volts to pins 8 & 4, and -5 to pin 1.

7. ### aboamal Member

May 29, 2008
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circuit must be modified to get what you want

try this circuit

8. ### Mu86neer Thread Starter Member

May 1, 2009
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i connected +5 to pin 8 and 4,,,also -5 to pin 1
but the output is in a negative DC form as illustrated on the attached pic.

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9. ### Mu86neer Thread Starter Member

May 1, 2009
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Thank you very much for all the affords u put ....
i designed it on multisim and i got some kind of irregular waveform of the output and then it suddenly stopped running,,, if u please could take alook at the two attached images, it'd be highly appreciated.

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10. ### aboamal Member

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hi
I have modified the circuit little bit to become more stable.

In this circuit you can change the frequency of the square wave through R1 and C1

Frequency=1/R1*C1

you can use timer 555 to produce pulses instead of NAND gate 4093.

11. ### SgtWookie Expert

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aboamal,
I'm surprised that your simulation runs. For example, look at how much base current you're getting on Q5. A real-world 4093 wouldn't be able to source that much current, and have enough left over to charge C1 via R1 and get above the Schmitt trigger level.

As I mentioned in the other thread where you posted a similar H-bridge configuration, you need current limiting resistors on the bases of Q5 and Q6, and also on Q1 and Q2. The Q1/Q2 base resistors will do "double duty" as base resistors for Q3, Q4.

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Hello,

When you do not need power at the output an opamp can do the trick.
The output will flip when it crosses 1/2 Vcc.

Greetings,
Bertus

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13. ### Mu86neer Thread Starter Member

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I ADDED TWO 10 OHM RESISTORS TO THE SET OF 4 BJT and it really works now, i guess the reason was each couple of BJTs was shortened ,,!!
its shown on the attached image ..
there is another thing i'd like to tell you , which is i finished my circuit and it converts an input of DC to a Rectangular signal and then into Triangular Signal using 555Timer, Integrator and Differentiator connected in series.

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14. ### Mu86neer Thread Starter Member

May 1, 2009
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fabulous, its anther implementation of using comparator to swing the input value depending on the frequency of the Timer f = 1.44/[(R1+R2)*C]
i feel lucky ..lol

15. ### JoeJester AAC Fanatic!

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Mu86neer,

To expand on what beenthere advised, review this attachment.

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16. ### Mu86neer Thread Starter Member

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Hello
it appears to be an Astable Multivibrator, and i expect its operating frequency to be f= 1.44/[(2.7+30)*1000*33*10^-9] =7.655 k Hz

the operating frequency must be taken into consideration specially when this 555Timer is synchronized with other OpAmp applications such as integrator circuits.

Thank you

17. ### Audioguru New Member

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Multisim does not know if it is coming or going.
It is probably tripping over all those dots all over its schematics.