Spammers

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Wendy, Nov 5, 2011.

  1. Wendy

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    I can understand bots, they are automated and therefore cheap.

    But we seem to get a lot of folks who really write real replies, though most not too long. Doesn't matter in the end, they all go down as soon as they are noticed.

    Spamming simply can not pay that well. Wonder how much they really get?
     
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  2. TheFox

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    Maybe it's the owners/webmasters/techs of company who are out there, doing it for free, trying to get their business off the ground.
    Either that, or a bunch of people in china using Google translate. Beats working in a sweat shop
     
  3. SgtWookie

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    You know, the Newsgroups archives are chock full o' spam, and they're hosted on this site with instructions to log on to the Forums.

    Examples:
    Spam in newsgroup:
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77161
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77107
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77165
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=78094
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=78173
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77173
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77168
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77167
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77165
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77164
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77162
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77161
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77160
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77158
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77159
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77156
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77151
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77149
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77148
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77145
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77144
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77143
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77142
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77138
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77137
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77136
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77135
    http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/newsgroups/viewtopic.php?t=77134

    Any chance at least some of the junk in the Newsgroup archives could get dumped?
     
  4. Wendy

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    Interesting. I do not know squat about it, but I think they are are more an archive.
     
  5. SgtWookie

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    Yes, they are inactive archives - but you could still find that content doing a seach.

    Maybe if the spam content in the newsgroup archives were deleted, the spam here would slow down?
     
  6. Wendy

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    Don't know, I'm not a mod there though. Jrap has some really good tools installed, we only see about 10% that is attempted, and a fair percentage of that is moderated before it shows. Of that you guys help, and one report all spam from a vendor is gone, it is automatically hunted down and removed.

    Basically I think we present a challenge. Like Broadway, if they can make it here they can make it anywhere.

    I do know that jrap and Dave are extremely busy with their lives right now. Lots going on, so I would not hold my breath of anything happening.
     
  7. Georacer

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    Newsgroup archives!? What is this beast? I 've never seen that before!

    Oh, the things one learns...
     
  8. Wendy

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    You've seen the history of AAC? We have used a several media for this site, VBulliten is just the latest. I also think it is the best, though there are a few things I would like to see tweaked (nothing jrap can do, has to come from the parent company).
     
  9. Dave

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    AAC serves up over 3 million pageviews a month, this in itself makes manual spamming worth considering in the hope some of it goes under the radar. It is a never ending battle, one that over the years we have always tried to keep on top of.

    As for the newsgroup archive, these are just posts aggregated from a range of sources. People are only able to view them and not contribute to them, hence why they are pointed here to the forums should they wish to ask a question. Linking back to a discussion in the archive is always encouraged. Unfortunately it is one of the more unloved parts of the site.

    Dave
     
  10. HarveyH42

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    I think Spam can be a dangerous thing, no telling what's going to happen to someone's computer, if they click the link. Most of us, use the security features, control cookies, firewalls, virus scanner, spyware, and so forth. But a lot of that can get confusing, some doesn't play well with other software, and some people are a little lazy, or just don't care, leaving their system wide open. I don't open Email, if it's not clear who sent it, or click on links blindly.

    I doubt that spam can ever be completely wiped out, and people will stop using it. Would be surprised that some of the people involved in developing the software to protect, are also involved in circumventing it. They have to test, challenge their methods, also need to get others to give it their best shot, to find weaknesses. There is also job security... People pay for protection, and I'm sure there are people, who would pay for information on how to get past the protection as well.
     
  11. debjit625

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    I use "Report Post" option for spam...but sometimes I get confused over some posts, I can't decide if it’s a spam or not...
     
  12. Wendy

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    A valid concern, occasionally the mods have to discuss among ourselves to make the distinction. I'd click it, then let us figure it out.
     
  13. bertus

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    Hello,

    If you are in doubt if the post contains spam, just report it and let us decide if it needs to be removed or not.
    It is better to have a double report as none.

    Bertus
     
  14. JoeJester

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    The name spam is generic to unwanted correspondences.

    Unfortunately, Marketing 101 includes all sources of social media. Yes, there is a chance that someone might be interested in your product and services and that's where people would produce an advertisement in a forum like this. They know it will be closed, but probably not deleted. Then that post is picked up by various entities, so it becomes out there for anyone to see when searching.

    Combatting that type of spam is a full time job. Closing, deleting the thread, and banning the IP address is about all the owners can do. That doesn't mean some robot hasn't cataloged it prior to it's deletion, preserving it for all the search engines to find.

    Every year there are a group of new marketing graduates with ideas on getting products and services noticed. Some are rehashed ideas, some are new, but suspect to run afoul of existing laws.

    It's a never ending battle. Twenty years ago, no one had spam filters. Today, everyone has one.
     
  15. bertus

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  16. thatoneguy

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    The biggest thing I hate about spam-bots are those incredibly hard to read anti-OCR strings you need to type in all the time.

    Some places aren't too bad. Craigslist has gone sadistic with it, to the point I hit "refresh" 3 times before I get one I can even get a good guess on what it says.

    --ETA: Company (small business I help out with at times) spends tens of thousands per month on Google Ad Words and Microsoft/Yahoo/Bing Advertising. It isn't cheap. Low income companies will simply pay a guy to post all he can where he can.
     
  17. bertus

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    Hello,

    There even seem to be "human solvers" for the captcha security pictures:


    This is from this wiki page:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA

    Bertus
     
  18. maxpower097

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    A little for one man = a years salary in some coutries.
     
  19. GetDeviceInfo

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    as JoeJester posted, it's basic marketing at work. A Realtor for instance will send out a thousand flyers to his target market. The effort may return a dozen calls, a couple of presentations, and a listing if they repeat the effort several times. 10 cold calls a day if you want to make a real living at it.

    the internet has simply opened up the target market to be the world. Pretty cool. Someone, somewhere will consume your offering, you just need to find them. Initially, the recipients are unqualified, but once responding, move to a higher valued list with some qualifications. This process continues until you discover those that can't say no, or are very vulnerable to concentrated efforts. In many cases, the demographics of site users alone, prequalify them as a target audience. There's really no difference if you selling Iphones, debt, or sex.
     
  20. maxpower097

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    This is why so many normal US SEO's outsource to other countries right off the bat. The big designers are nothing more then middle men. I wish I spoke russian or ukrainian. I could make a mint in web design and software. The language issue is where the problem comes in. They can't communicate with teh clients. So it takes a middle man to explain everything to both parties. Thats high level web design these days.
     
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