# Simplifing my Circuit

Discussion in 'General Electronics Chat' started by ahmedzica, Jan 9, 2012.

1. ### ahmedzica Thread Starter New Member

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Let Rb= 1k , Rc=100 and Vcc= 5v

Can anybody simplfy this circuit and explain why is Vcc-V(Rb)-V(Be)=0

Thanks

2. ### hgmjr Moderator

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The above equation states that if you begin with the voltage applied to the circuit, 5V in this case and then you subtract the voltage drop across the resistor Rb and then you subtract the voltage across the base-emitter junction, you should end up with 0 volts.

hgmjr

3. ### wmodavis Well-Known Member

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It is also called Kirchoff's Voltage Law. The sum of voltage drops around a loop is equal to zero.

[SIZE=+1]Kirchhoff's Voltage Law - Introduction[/SIZE]

Kirchhoff's Voltage Law - KVL - is one of two fundamental laws in electrical engineering, the other being Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL).
• KVL is a fundamental law, as fundamental as Conservation of Energy in mechanics, for example, because KVL is really conservation of electrical energy.
• KVL and KCL are the starting point for analysis of any circuit.
• KCL and KVL always hold and are usually the most useful piece of information you will have about a circuit after the circuit itself.

4. ### ahmedzica Thread Starter New Member

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I already know that. But I'm wondering if we used KVL why ignored V(Re) as in the left loop

5. ### kubeek AAC Fanatic!

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Because Vbe is assumed constant and non-dependent on Ic, which it practically is.

6. ### ahmedzica Thread Starter New Member

Jan 9, 2012
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can you tell my which loop are you loooking at

7. ### ahmedzica Thread Starter New Member

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I really appreciate your efforts. and I know how to use KVL. But I can't imagine how this circuit would be if we replaced this Vcc (1 Terminal ) with 2 Terminal and Removed that ground over there

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If Vcc were replaced by a connection to another network, you would have another more complex circuit. If there is a particular circuit you are thinking about, perhaps you might want to explain what you have in mind

What are you actually trying to analyse - the simple transistor circuit considered as a load on Vcc?

9. ### ahmedzica Thread Starter New Member

Jan 9, 2012
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Yes I want to calculate Ic and Vce

10. ### kubeek AAC Fanatic!

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The loop is the one you posted first, Vcc-V(Rb)-V(BE)=0.
Another one would be Vcc-V(Rc)-V(CE)=0. If you know that Ic=β*Ib then you should be able to calculate the rest you need.

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At low input voltages the current may be estimated approximately by supply current I of (Vcc) = (β+1)(Vcc-Vbe)/Rb.

Since here Rb is only 10 times Rc it is likely that, with a reasonably high gain transistor, above a certain voltage the transistor will saturate. This is because (β+1)(Vcc-Vbe)/Rb will exceed Vcc/Rc. At higher input voltages therefore, I(Vcc) ≈ (Vcc-Vbe)/Rb + Vcc/Rc

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12. ### ahmedzica Thread Starter New Member

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Oh i got it. But why saying (β+1) is it only β? and after saturation will we cut of the exceeded wave?

13. ### ahmedzica Thread Starter New Member

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I got it, huge thanks