Not really. There are LDO (low drop out) regulators that can narrow the gap between in and out, but not give more than you put in.Yes, I realize that the 7812 won't work, but are there any other relative simple devices/circuits which will?
Not really. There are LDO (low drop out) regulators that can narrow the gap between in and out, but not give more than you put in.Yes, I realize that the 7812 won't work, but are there any other relative simple devices/circuits which will?
?????I should've asked that question before.
hahahaha I just figured that was extraneous information and that it would only confuse people if I gave it at the very beginning.Thanks for coming clean! Feel better now?
AC power adapter rated for 12V - 1.25AWhat power supply do the goggles use normally?
With my LM358 model (LM358 is the dual version of LM324), I got a 1.2A spike at startup. I fixed it (in the simulation ) by adding a couple of RC networks. See below.Can someone explain to me why I am getting this small current spike at the front?
It's hard to see in the picture, but the current spikes to ~630mA at first and then falls to about 570mA right away.
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* | inverting input
* | | positive power supply
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.SUBCKT LM358 1 2 99 50 28
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*Features:
*Eliminates need for dual supplies
*Large DC voltage gain = 100dB
*High bandwidth = 1MHz
*Low input offset voltage = 2mV
*Wide supply range = +-1.5V to +-16V
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*NOTE: Model is for single device only and simulated
* supply current is 1/2 of total device current.
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IOS 2 1 5N
*^Input offset current
R1 1 3 500K
R2 3 2 500K
I1 99 4 100U
R3 5 50 517
R4 6 50 517
Q1 5 2 4 QX
Q2 6 7 4 QX
*Fp2=1.2 MHz
C4 5 6 128.27P
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***********COMMON MODE EFFECT***********
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I2 99 50 75U
*^Quiescent supply current
EOS 7 1 POLY(1) 16 49 2E-3 1
*Input offset voltage.^
R8 99 49 60K
R9 49 50 60K
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*********OUTPUT VOLTAGE LIMITING********
V2 99 8 1.63
D1 9 8 DX
D2 10 9 DX
V3 10 50 .635
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EH 99 98 99 49 1
G1 98 9 POLY(1) 5 6 0 9.8772E-4 0 .3459
*Fp1=7.86 Hz
R5 98 9 101.2433MEG
C3 98 9 200P
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G3 98 15 9 49 1E-6
R12 98 15 1MEG
C5 98 15 7.9577E-14
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*Fpcm=10 KHz
G4 98 16 3 49 5.6234E-8
L2 98 17 15.9M
R13 17 16 1K
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F6 50 99 POLY(1) V6 300U 1
E1 99 23 99 15 1
R16 24 23 17.5
D5 26 24 DX
V6 26 22 .63V
R17 23 25 17.5
D6 25 27 DX
V7 22 27 .63V
V5 22 21 0.27V
D4 21 15 DX
V4 20 22 0.27V
D3 15 20 DX
L3 22 28 500P
RL3 22 28 100K
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Huh, I guess that's just puny enough to act as a natural current spike limiter, compared to a battery.AC power adapter rated for 12V - 1.25A
I have a local radio-supply shop which I normally use instead of radio shack. Their parts are highly superior in quality. There is a good chance that they will carry many of those parts.The easiest way to avoid a spike on start-up is to use a 0.1uF (100nF) cap from Ref to ground. This will help a great deal with avoiding the initial overshoot.
Ron_H,
I used values in my schematic that would be pretty easy to obtain from any Radio Shack, because I was under the impression that our O.P. wanted a reasonably simple circuit that they could obtain parts for locally and immediately. RS doesn't carry a 0.1 Ohm resistor, nor LM358's either; the only suitable opamp they carry would be the LM324.
However, if they have access to an LM358 and an 0.1 Ohm resistor, that would work just fine.
Now that I'm looking on Radio Shacks' site; I see I was in error about the 0.8 Ohm resistor; it's an 8 Ohm resistor. However, they do carry a 0.47 Ohm resistor that would do the trick; with corresponding adustments to the Ref voltage divider.
lol, isn't this pretty much the same thing that I had suggested in the first post except that the "current limiting" transistor has been replaced by a MOSFET. I guess the load is in a different place also to prevent voltage drop...Here's something even more simple. See the attached.
Rlimit is increased to 1 Ohm. You'll take just a small efficiency hit because of this, as with a 250mA load, 62.5mW will be dissipated in Rlimit, while 2,937.5mW will be dissipated in the load. That's still better than 97.8% efficient.
R1 supplies current to pull the gate of M1 high, tending to turn the MOSFET on.
As current begins to flow through the MOSFET, it also flows through Rlimit; as the current increases past 0.63v, Q1's base starts conducting current, which causes the collector to sink current, pulling the gate of M1 back down, which reduces the current flow through the MOSFET, hence through Rlimit.
When C1 becomes fully charged, the voltage across Rlimit drops enough to turn Q1 completely off, and the gate charges to the battery voltage less the drop across Rlimit.
I was under the mistaken impression that 0.5V was more saturation voltage than he could tolerate. Looking back to post #23, I see that the voltage can apparently be as low as 9V, which means that the tolerated saturation voltage can be as high as 1 Volt. Good catch, Wookie!Here's something even more simple. See the attached.
Rlimit is increased to 1 Ohm. You'll take just a small efficiency hit because of this, as with a 250mA load, 62.5mW will be dissipated in Rlimit, while 2,937.5mW will be dissipated in the load. That's still better than 97.8% efficient.
R1 supplies current to pull the gate of M1 high, tending to turn the MOSFET on.
As current begins to flow through the MOSFET, it also flows through Rlimit; as the current increases past 0.63v, Q1's base starts conducting current, which causes the collector to sink current, pulling the gate of M1 back down, which reduces the current flow through the MOSFET, hence through Rlimit.
When C1 becomes fully charged, the voltage across Rlimit drops enough to turn Q1 completely off, and the gate charges to the battery voltage less the drop across Rlimit.
Here is the deal with the voltage drop. I can have a 0.5V drop, but since my device needs 10V minimum, my battery would only work at 10.5V or higher. This is OK, but is really not preferable since I want to be able to use the full capacity of the battery.I was under the mistaken impression that 0.5V was more saturation voltage than he could tolerate. Looking back to post #23, I see that the voltage can apparently be as low as 9V, which means that the tolerated saturation voltage can be as high as 1 Volt. Good catch, Wookie!
BTW, when did the load current change to 250mA? I thought it was about 450mA.
That is why I posted the circuit with the 0.1Ω sense resistor. It has a saturation voltage of (Rsense+Rds)*Iload ≈ 50 millivolts (with 450mA load).Here is the deal with the voltage drop. I can have a 0.5V drop, but since my device needs 10V minimum, my battery would only work at 10.5V or higher. This is OK, but is really not preferable since I want to be able to use the full capacity of the battery.
yes sir, it's still 450mA.That is why I posted the circuit with the 0.1Ω sense resistor. It has a saturation voltage of (Rsense+Rds)*Iload ≈ 50 millivolts (with 450mA load).
BTW, what is your steady-state load current? Is it still ≈450mA?
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