I think the basic premise behind CC training and action is that if the other person has not pulled a gun and or shot already or directly confronted someone with another potentially lethal weapon your gun stays in its holster.

Bad guys waving his/their gun/guns around and firing shots or has one to someone's head or has a knife or other such item to someone's throat then it's probably okay to unholster yours and consider your options on taking defensive actions.

If no obvious life threating actions have taken place your gun stays where it belongs.

It's not a hard concept to follow for any sane rational person of which the vast vast majority of CC persons are.

The rule in Florida is, you must be in fear for your (or someone's) life.

A 300lb linebacker holding you by the throat is considered reason enough. You don't have to wait for him to draw a weapon.

 

Does anyone know how – by what authority– the FBI can release only a redacted version of the 911 call from the shooter? Does Homeland come in and seize jurisdiction and authority over all such stuff, so that the local "owners" of the recorded call cannot release whatever they like?

I don't know about you, but I find manipulation of the news by the sitting regime to be a FAR greater threat than some nutbag loser shooting up a gay bar.

 

Does anyone know how – by what authority– the FBI can release only a redacted version of the 911 call from the shooter? Does Homeland come in and seize jurisdiction and authority over all such stuff, so that the local "owners" of the recorded call cannot release whatever they like?

I don't know about you, but I find manipulation of the news by the sitting regime to be a FAR greater threat than some nutbag loser shooting up a gay bar.

Agreed. The FBI has decided to release the full (unedited???) transcript(s). But it appears they are still quoting the shooter as saying "God" as opposed to "Allah".

The White House claims it was not involved in the original decision to redact. In other, unrelated news, they are having a sale on bridges this week.

 

The FBI has decided to release the full (unedited???) transcript(s). But it appears they are still quoting the shooter as saying "God" as opposed to "Allah".

I'm amazed, and gladdened that they reconsidered. I've regained a glimmer of hope.

I gather that the "translation" into American English (replacing Allah with God) is also an intentional policy from the Whitehouse. It's repugnant but less scary than outright censorship of reality. Of course if you can edit quotations to follow a policy, it's a slippery slope right back to 1984.

 

Does anyone know how – by what authority– the FBI can release only a redacted version of the 911 call from the shooter? Does Homeland come in and seize jurisdiction and authority over all such stuff, so that the local "owners" of the recorded call cannot release whatever they like?

I think their general attitude is, "Authority? We don't need no steenkin' authority!" Sadly, we appear to have reached a point where the executive branch of our government can do whatever the hell it pleases, Congress and the courts be damned.

I don't know about you, but I find manipulation of the news by the sitting regime to be a FAR greater threat than some nutbag loser shooting up a gay bar.

Especially given the object of that manipulation is to obscure the very ideology that propelled said nutbag.

 

Does anyone know how – by what authority– the FBI can release only a redacted version of the 911 call from the shooter?

Don't forget this started when they stopped showing the planes hitting the twin towers and the beheadings. The politico's do not want to en-flame the situation to where the people would demand action ... because they would have to DO SOMETHING. The something they want to do is not consistent with the demands of the public IF the un-redacted versions hit the streets, although I suspect it might not be too hard to get a copy of the originals, but I think the Attorney General probably has threatened the locals already about releasing it.

 

No fear : I have walked alone in areas where cars were stripped down to the frame,drink machines

busted open with no respect for the law. Swam in dark murky water at nite alone. When you are on

a mission you don't think about the other world ...no fear. Any place is the other world ,its all in the mind.

 

No fear : I have walked alone in areas where cars were stripped down to the frame,drink machines

busted open with no respect for the law. Swam in dark murky water at nite alone. When you are on

a mission you don't think about the other world ...no fear. Any place is the other world ,its all in the mind.

My guess is that no one would be crazy enough to mess with you. I know I wouldn't.

 

I see you first with night vision-------

 

Something else ,the bikes and sneakers, clothes reflect in the moon lite.

 

I would shake your hand.

 

Does anyone know how – by what authority– the FBI can release only a redacted version of the 911 call from the shooter? Does Homeland come in and seize jurisdiction and authority over all such stuff, so that the local "owners" of the recorded call cannot release whatever they like?

I don't know about you, but I find manipulation of the news by the sitting regime to be a FAR greater threat than some nutbag loser shooting up a gay bar.

AFAIK 911 calls can be made public with the exceptions of the names in a sexual assault or if it violates HIPPA laws...

 

First ,do a forensic on my ocean picture,you are looking at danger.

 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-20-16-01-59

It cites a report by Special Agent Swierkowski, whose first name was not included, saying Sandford told officers he drove from California to kill Trump and went to a Las Vegas gun range the day before to learn to shoot.

Sandford later went to a Trump rally at the Treasure Island Casino and approached a Las Vegas police officer to say he wanted an autograph from Trump.

The report says Sandford was arrested after grabbing the handle of an officer's gun in an attempt to remove it.

Typical. Amazing how ignorant non-gun people are about guns. He learned -- the hard way -- what a retention holster is.

 

@ lestraveled ,you can shake my hand in person at the Elbo Room located

on Fort Lauderdale beach. I have met in person with other members and it

has always been a good experience for all members. We meet right on the

beach in public. There are live Internet camera's at the Elbo Room,wear a hat.

All visitors have been from out of state so far ,Fla members are welcome.

I travel around Florida if any member would like a road trip.I was off line for a

while ,always looking for that new adventure. I have explained in the past how

adventure got in way of a better electronic experience. I have no regrets.

You are never too old to have that adventure in your mind ,that means ever

one has a good time,without leaving anyone behind....words to live by........

Loosewire

 

Just some fun with numbers: Most exclude Alaska. They must be to close to Russia.
7 no permit required states entered at average.
The first, gun deaths vs number of guns, by state.




How about deaths vs CC permits?







Then median income:

 

@ronv is the only member currently (or has ever been) on my ignore list. The reason: he has a tendency to plagiarize commentary he discovers on the internet and reproduce it here as his own work.

In the previous post, he has posted data to prove a point -- or not: he did say it was for "fun". Yet the source of the data is unknown (apparently, and unlikely, produced by @ronv himself), as is the methodology used to collect and analyze it.

Mods: we 'old timers' here should be setting a good example for the young ones, especially when it comes to proper attribution of others' work, as well as ensuring that there be some rigor with respect to analyzing collected data and the methods of data collection and analysis.

And, most importantly, intellectual theft should not be tolerated on this site. Please consider that @ronv should be "encouraged" not to behave in such an unethical fashion.

 

@ronv is the only member currently (or has ever been) on my ignore list. The reason: he has a tendency to plagiarize commentary he discovers on the internet and reproduce it here as his own work.

In the previous post, he has posted data to prove a point -- or not: he did say it was for "fun". Yet the source of the data is unknown (apparently, and unlikely, produced by @ronv himself), as is the methodology used to collect and analyze it.

Mods: we 'old timers' here should be setting a good example for the young ones, especially when it comes to proper attribution of others' work, as well as ensuring that there be some rigor with respect to analyzing collected data and the methods of data collection and analysis.

And, most importantly, intellectual theft should not be tolerated on this site. Please consider that @ronv should be "encouraged" not to behave in such an unethical fashion.

Ahhh, and here I thought the ignore worked.
Of course the data comes from other places -- several other places. But it is the first time I have seen gun permits vs. deaths or income. At least I can say I have data to back it up. You on the other hand can not.

 

Ahhh, and here I thought the ignore worked.
Of course the data comes from other places -- several other places. But it is the first time I have seen gun permits vs. deaths or income. At least I can say I have data to back it up. You on the other hand can not.

Without a source and methodology, you have nothing. And you profess your ignorance by stating you do.

 

So where is the epidemic of CCFL accidents that must occur constantly for this to be true?

May be yes.