Sailplane Talk

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by tggzzz, Apr 29, 2015.

  1. tggzzz

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    Standard operating procedure for gliders is 0-50mph/80kmh in 5 seconds, followed by a 35-45 degree climb, i.e. with your feet higher than your head. 14 year old adults can go solo, i.e. do that on their own.

    See http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image8262.html
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  2. tggzzz

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    Well, in gliders "off field" landings are common - or rather field landings are common, and you are explicitly tested on it before you are allowed to go cross country. (Try to avoid horses, since they can be worth more than the aircraft.)
     
  3. cmartinez

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    Wow! thanks for sharing... though the term "14 year old adults" kind of left me wondering... ;)
     
  4. cmartinez

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    Cool videos! At around 0:43 I noticed that the towing rope passes directly under the front wheel. Why is that? is the wheel shaped like a pulley?
     
  5. WBahn

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    So? We weren't talking about gliders.
     
  6. tggzzz

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    You're welcome. All the 14 year olds that I have known go solo are mature beyond their years. I don't know which is cause and which is effect.

    Other experiences of gliding include:
    spinning
    which you must repeatedly demonstrate before you go solo
    or playing with birds of prey

    or ridge running

    or thermalling

    or simple intense relaxed concentration



    and then there's the intense flying...
     
  7. tggzzz

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    No. The cable is attached near the wheel, the exact position depending on the glider.
     
  8. cmartinez

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    You're right... maybe a different thread should've been started for this... if you move it, I will follow.
     
  9. WBahn

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    "Kids" that age are more than capable of being very responsible. When I used to run flight lines at airshows and at search and rescue mission bases I generally worked exclusively with 13 to 16 year old "kids" and most of the time they were running the flight line by themselves since I had lots of duties that required me to be elsewhere much of the time.

    When we supported in 1-26 Soaring Championships at the USAF Academy's Auxiliary Airfield at first they didn't want our "kids" to be anywhere near the active runway. By the third day our "kids" were not only working the active runway, they were doing so without any supervision from anyone (including me, since I was hobbled up in the ops shack with a gout flare-up) and everyone that had been leery of having "kids" out on the runway at all -- with everything that is moving around when you are launching sailplanes every few minutes with tow planes taxiing past you while you are positioning sailplanes onto the runway and hooking up the lead plane and then wing-running until the pilot has sufficient control authority -- were now completely comfortable with the "kids" taking complete control of it. We expected the "kids" to meet certain levels of conduct and they rose to meet those expectations -- and had a great time in the process.
     
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  10. tggzzz

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    Never heard of "thread drift"? AFAIK you don't get to determine when the conversation leads.
     
  11. WBahn

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    Unless the TS (i.e., you) requests it, I don't see any pressing need.
     
  12. tggzzz

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    Just so. At our comps we have to get up to 50 a/c up within an hour, using 5 tugs. That's three movements per minute (i.e. more than London Heathrow) without any ATC. The youngsters do all the hooking up etc. They know what's what as well as anyone else in the launch team.
     
  13. WBahn

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    And, actually, you would be wrong about that.

    But I wasn't talking about thread drift, I was referring to taking a post completely out of context in order to make a point that is irrelevant to the discussion. The side effect is that it is apparently an attempt to hijack the thread.
     
  14. cmartinez

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    I don't mind a little drift on a thread, especially if it's off-topic, but this glider conversation (that deeply interests me btw) belongs to a different thread. W, could you please move the glider conversation to a new thread and make @tggzzz its thread starter? I will gladly follow that conversation where you place it. I've always believed in keeping a clean house.
     
  15. WBahn

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    Sure thing.
     
  16. cmartinez

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    Now, @tggzzz, I'll be more than glad to continue our conversation here.
    For starts, I noticed that the videos are from the UK, are you located there? What's the youngest a person can fly a glider in the US?
     
  17. tggzzz

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    I don't think all are from the UK.

    I don't know the US position, but I suspect that 14 is minimum age for solo in some but not all places.

    This

    is almost certainly in the US, given the glider type.

    Have a look at http://www.ssa.org/ and rec.aviation.soaring for more info. In the US there is relatively little (cheap fun) winch launching, and more (expensive boring) aerotowing. You may notice a prejudice there; aerotowing bored my daughter, winch launches hooked her (ho ho).
     
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  18. cmartinez

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    You mean the kid in the video is your daugher? and I guess you're the pilot then.
    It's impressive... and still, your kid's a demanding one if she was bored with that!... surely with time this sort of thing will grow into her.
    Just how much on average does it cost to fly one of those things? Assuming it's rented.
     
  19. tindel

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    All I need is another expensive hobby...

    This looks like so much fun!
     
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  20. cmartinez

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    And I need a hobby that makes money... :D
     
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