respecting people

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  1. TAKYMOUNIR

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    this message for the people control this site ,worn every one to respect the others ,some people make funny of the questions ,please if you can not control yourself to respect the other do not replay ,and please can you let me know if this website has rules for respecting other or no
    thanks
     
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  2. Wendy

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    Actually the people who control this site (moderators and administrators) aggressively enforce what you are talking about. If you want to see what it is like when we don't you can try ElectroTech.

    This post bothers me a little, as we are pretty good at our jobs. I get the feeling you are referring to the regular users. This is, as I say often, a no flame zone. The other side of the argument is disagreements do happen, it is possible to argue civilly with someone you disagree with. I practice this often, sometime I have to come back and edit a post to tone it down a bit. A fresh reply is often not the last word.

    If you feel you have been slighted then that is what the little red triangle ([​IMG]) is for. Press as needed, and all the moderators are notified.

    BTW, look up the definitions for:

    replay
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  3. ramancini8

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    You obviously don't come from an English spesking country although your profile doesn't give that information (why do you withold country of origon?). This is America where free speech is revered and joking is common place. This attitude is often misinterpreted as an offense, and a retalitory strike surly will be offensive. Ignor the offenders and get the free advice while you can, because it may not be available in your country.
     
  4. MrChips

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    This is an international site and we should be careful about offending others in other parts of the world.

    I can be accused of being abrupt with some posts but we have to keep on pointing out to others when their posts have room for improvements. Here are some common shortcomings that I have noticed:

    1. Unhelpful titles such as "Need help"
    2. Need help ASAP - as if we are expected to drop everything and respond immediately
    3. Need help ASAP because this assignment is due tomorrow - duh?
    4. Posting homework/assignment and expecting us to provide the answer
    5. Using textese which makes it difficult to read
    6. Incoherent messages
    7. Expecting us to read their minds
    8. Failing to provide the big picture
    9. Failing to provide a circuit diagram
    and many more...

    The bottom line is this service is free and the moderators of AAC do a great job of keeping it civil. If it were otherwise I would be out of here in a hurry.
     
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  5. t06afre

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    I will also add then the poster has some obvious but strange fear of reading manuals or datasheets. In such situations it is easy to be kind of nippy. One thing is to be unsure of that the datasheet is saying, or be having difficulties understanding the content. That is quite normal. And in such situations it OK to ask for help.
     
  6. Wendy

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    Something people often miss, this is not a democracy. This site is owned, and the moderators represent the owners and administrators.

    Free speech does not apply to offensive speech here. The moderators are the judges, jury, and executioners, we answer to the other moderators and administrators.

    The other side is we try very hard to do our jobs with a light touch. When I was new at this job I learned the hard way that being a bit quick is actually less painful for all involved.

    We can tell what computer you are typing from, and country of origin, even if not posted. The internet has aspects that have little privacy.
     
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  7. Wendy

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    BTW, press the red triangle on the specific post you found offensive.
     
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  8. t06afre

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    @TAKYMOUNIR! Remember that good questions draw good answers. I think I know which thread you are referring to. And in that case you pretty much left it up to us to be mind readers. And I think it was a little to much to ask for. Then you wanted us to debug your code for you. Also all compilers come with some help function/manual. Did you try to look here before asking for help?
    Then posting here you can seldom provide to much information. Something simple like. My input is equal to a=30 and and b=45 but I get xxxx as result and that is quite wrong. Can be very helpful for everyone that is not sitting beside you at your PC. So for your own sake be as descriptive as you can then posting. That will show that you have thinked through your question before posting
     
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  9. DerStrom8

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    I agree, the moderators here are absolutely fantastic. I've never had a problem with them before. They stay on top of things night and day and keep this forum clean, troll-free, and flame-free. They are also prompt to reply if you have any issues, whether you report them using the red triangle or through PM. I am very thankful for all they do!

    That's just it, AG. A lot of these students DON'T have any websites to visit in their own language that can give them the same help and insight as the experts here can. They have as much right to be here as you and me. If you find posts from people with broken English, just ignore it if it bothers you that much. Most of the foreign students here sincerely want to learn and to aid, and some come to learn and practice their English. If you have a problem with them, you don't have to reply. It's as simple as that.

    I, for one, welcome foreign members. It makes this a very diverse community where everyone can learn from everyone, even if it doesn't have to do strictly with electronics. Learning about others' backgrounds is what makes this forum as interesting as it is.
     
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  10. ifixit

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    I'm just curious.

    Do you mean IP or MAC address?

    Or did you mean CPU serial number? I don't think it is possible see the CPU serial number. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Regards,
    Ifixit
     
  11. BMorse

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    It is not as much as they come here, it is that this site is available worldwide, so anyone who has access to the web will have access to AAC, which in my opinion is one of the coolest things about AAC, we can come here from all over the world and collaborate on ideas and discuss things with a world wide view.

    And saying stuff like that about people from other countries to not come here is ridiculous, that would be like me saying find a canadian forum to post in and talk to your own people about your distaste in anything Chinese (I just kind of gathered that from most of your posts where you point out the faulty component is probably made in china, etc, etc, gets kid of tiring actually) .

    I love the fact that I am a member of a forum where someone from India, or anywhere else in the world would choose AAC to ask their question or seek help or advice on a technological aspect, there are plenty of other forums out there, but as you can see, AAC is still the place to be. :D
     
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  12. BMorse

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    All of the above if they really deemed it necessary ;).... remember you are running their code when you are logged into this site, so that pretty much gives them the ability to run any scripts they want, to gather whatever info they need. I can get all that info on my site when people visit, I can even tell what brand phone, service provider etc, when visiting my site from a mobile device....

    here is a simple screen shot of "some" data collected when someone visits my site >> Analytics.jpg
     
  13. WBahn

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    One thing we (i.e., regular posters) need to keep in mind (and it can be REAL hard at times) is that just because a hundred other people have posted something with "Help me ASAP" as their thread title, the specific person we are responding to has (probably) not done it repeatedly. Yes, they should have read posting guidelines and we can certainly point that out, but we should refrain from taking out our frustrations on them as though they, personally, made all of those prior posts.

    As for the non-English aspect. I deifnitely like that it is an international forum, but that doesn't mean it can't get a bit frustrating at times. But I am always quick to remember that even someone that speaks the poorest English (as a second language) is still much better at English than I am at whatever their native tongue is -- in other words, their demonstrated ability to communicate at all in English marks them as having accomplishing something I have not and, I've come to suspect, cannot (or at least never will) attain. So my hat is off to them and I will try to work with their broken English as best I can -- but they must also realize (and most certainy seem to) that their English skill are going to cause problems and that they may have to work through an iterative approach to get their point across.
     
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  14. ifixit

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    All that you have listed is normal stuff required for the internet and browsers to work properly, but there is no personal info outside the scope of what the browser has access to. Even the IP address does not accurately locate a specific computer because of routers. However, a search warrant issued to the service provider could yield an exact physical address.

    I hope this is not off topic, but it is about respecting a forum user privacy.

    More on topic...

    I don't complain about forum visitors asking questions they could look up the answer for with google... even if it's a question that is asked over and and over and over and over and over again. After all this is a forum for asking questions. Sometimes it is just easier to ask on a forum, which can provide some interaction during an explaination. Something you don't get reading a dry data sheet.

    The foreign users, who don't read english datasheets well, likely find it easier to come here and ask. Not only is it a challenge to answer a question, but a challenge also to communicate in simple enough terms and be friendly and patient at the same time. I like challenges.


    Regards,
    Ifixit
     
  15. tracecom

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    That would eliminate a lot of North Americans.
     
  16. olphart

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    Some may 'cog me from ElectroTech... I don't contribute much anymore - too many students wanting homework answers.

    That betrays my peeve: ask a specific question, or a clarification on a topic; Stated in the title! I suspect too many login and post without ANY guide of manners/decorum.

    May I pose that logging in Requires the new attendee to read and "signoff" on the "rules of engagement"? Thereafter, any chastisement "should" address said and be within guidelines, and, therefore, understandable.

    The broken American can be stilted and syntactically confusing, but, as stated earlier, they're trying and we would (almost certainly) do worse in their native tongue. That they stay with this, their communicative skills can only improve.

    I respond as time allows to proper, respectful requests; anything less gets proportionally less... Good Hunting ... <<<)))
     
  17. bountyhunter

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    Not to mention 100% of my in-laws who hail from Loozeeanna.....:p
     
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  18. Audioguru

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    I get many phone calls from people trying to sell something but their Engrish is horrible so I don't know what they are saying.
    About 10% of Canadians speak only in French so my government is bilingual. But on the phone the government people speak horrible Engrish.
    Then I come to chat on an English-speaking website and get the same.
    Too much!

    I am glad that the written words do not have strong accents. "I'll fetch a glaus of wo-tah". But some people didn't go to skool so their speling is terrible.

    A windows update messed up my computer so I phoned my local Microsoft office. I was transferred to tech support and a lady quickly fixed my problem. I asked if she is in my city. In perfect English she said no, she is in Calcutta.

    My eye surgeon and heart specialist have ancestors from India. My family doctor has ancestors from The Philippines. Their English is perfect.

    On one of these electronics websites I helped a student in The Philippines graduate from University and get a good job. He didn't have a computer, he chatted from an internet cafe. I don't know if he had an accent but his English typing was perfect.
     
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  19. PackratKing

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    Yes, BMorse, it certainly does get tiring. I look forward to the day when the world will tire of Chinese inadequacies in their product quality, among other shortfall, and leave them hanging in the lurch until such time as they acknowledge and rectify those inadequacies, or we stop dealing with them altogether.
     
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  20. cork_ie

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    +1 Well said
    I can perfectly understand the language barrier.
    It is the posters who type first and think later that get to me
     
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