question about mosfet circuit homework

Discussion in 'Homework Help' started by omri karni, May 8, 2008.

  1. omri karni

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    May 8, 2008
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    hello my friends

    my teacher gave to me I must say very hard mosfet problem

    firs of all I want to know if this site will help me with my question?

    thanks for the helpers...



    omri karni
     
  2. recca02

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    I'm pretty sure the members here will help. It would e easier if you could post a schematic(if there is one) and your attempt at solving the problem.
     
  3. omri karni

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    May 8, 2008
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    hello again
    I put here the question ;so you can see that I need find the currents: Id Is Ig (as you can see Id and Is are equal) and the voltages: VRD VRS (this is the main problem)
    thankes

    omri karni
     
  4. pinnacle06

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    Ig is pretty much given to you. For Id, you should probably make an assumption about the region of operation the transistor is in and then start with the proper equation for Id. You will have 2 unknowns in your equation, so based on the given schematic, you will have to come up with another way to express one of them (ie Id). Then you can solve for a single unknown and then solve for the current and go back and check your orginal assumption. That's what I would do anyway.
     
  5. omri karni

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    May 8, 2008
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    First of all thanks.
    I tried to solve the id current with the saturation level equation and then I've got negative current it's unpossible for this condition
    how come ??
    Do you think that I need to use the Triode level equation ?
    If you will try to solve it ,it's will be great.
     
  6. pinnacle06

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    I would try using that equation again and see what you get. If you post your steps, I will take a look at it.
     
  7. Caveman

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    Apr 15, 2008
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    Just solve it like this

    g*(Vg - Vs)^2 = Vs/Rs = Is
    Vg = 5V is given.
    g = 1mV/V^2 is given
    Rs = 6k is given
    Solve for Vs

    It comes out to a quadratic equation with two solutions.
    Now using those solutions only one will work with the rest of the circuit.
    If you still can't figure it out, please post your two solutions to the quadratic. That way we actually know if you are getting this far correctly.
     
  8. omri karni

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    May 8, 2008
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    Thank you

    I will wait for your answers .

    It will be interesting .

    omri karni
     
  9. pinnacle06

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    We are not going to give you the direct answer, caveman told you what to do. We have already solved these types of problems way more than once. If you post your steps, I will help you out.
     
  10. omri karni

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    May 8, 2008
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    o.k firs of all I want to thanks you all for help.

    I posted my answer steps as you can see I think that now will be easier for

    you to help me to solve this question.





    omri karni
     
  11. pinnacle06

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    looks like a math error.... it came out correctly for me
     
  12. Caveman

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    Your equation is right, but the answer is not negative. Multiply it all out and try the quadratic equation. If you still have trouble post your results.
     
  13. omri karni

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    May 8, 2008
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    Are you shure that it's came out correctly for you?
    I tried alot of time to solve it but it didnt work.

    I'm realy dont know what to say.

    If someone know what is the problem please help me to solve it.

    Thanks;

    omri karni
     
  14. Caveman

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    Multiply it out and put it online! Post your results.
     
  15. omri karni

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    Here are the reasults...
     
  16. Caveman

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    The line right after "technique it's become negative" is wrong. The last term should have Id^2.
     
  17. omri karni

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    May 8, 2008
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    As you can see I opened the brackets; it was (4-6*10^3id)^2

    and after the opening it's became (16-48*10^3id+36*10^6id).

    so I think that I opend it's well dont you think??
     
  18. Caveman

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    No, you messed it up.

    (x-y)^2 = x^2 - 2xy + y^2
    x = 4
    y = 6*10^3*id
    y^2 is wrong, it should be 36*10^6*Id^2.
    You have to square the Id term.
     
  19. omri karni

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    May 8, 2008
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    Thank you very much Caveman I succeed to solve this question.

    I cant belive on my self that I did this stupid math mistake .


    thanks

    omri karni
     
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