Please find Cutoff frequency

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dileepchacko

Joined May 13, 2008
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Dear All

Please calculate the cutoff frequency of this circuit. I think the R2 will not depend on the cutoff frequency, but it depends on the other parameter such as pass band gain and quality factor.
 

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t06afre

Joined May 11, 2009
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Can you tell more about why you struggle. You have drawn your figure in some sort of ecad system. Do this tool have a simulator you can use for simulation?
 

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dileepchacko

Joined May 13, 2008
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Yes I have drown this circuit in LT SPICE. I have the option for simulation, I can get the cutoff frequency by simulating the circuit, but I need the mathematical steps to solve this. I know the Simple LPF cutoff frequency ( 1/(2*pi*R*C)). How R2 is depends on this circuit characteristics.
 

t06afre

Joined May 11, 2009
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You have to find the transfer function. This is equal to Vout/Vin. In this case I think nodal analysis is the essayist way to solve this problem. Are you familiar with this form of circuit analysis?
 

Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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Are you planning on using the classic 3db level? This is typically ½ the input signal voltage. This question is more important than it looks, because you have a voltage divider whose voltage out is entirely dependent on frequency, and you need to set a point where this magic level (3db) happens.
 
Combined impedance of C1 and R2 is product/sum, thus:

(R2/jwC)/(R2+1/jwC) = R2/(1+jwCR2).

Then use resistive divider equation to find transfer function:

[R2/(1+jwCR2)] / ([R2/(1+jwCR2)] + R1) = R2/(R2+R1(1+jwCR2))

cut off frequency is when denominator real = denominator imaginary

ie when (R2 + R1) = jwCR1R2 (expanding out the denominator)

If R1 = R2 = 1k and C = 1uF

2k = 2pi x f x 1uF x 1k x 1k (w = 2pi x f)

318 Hz

As a rough check, your 2 1k resistors are in parallel with a voltage source, so the cut off freq is the same as a single RC filter with a 500 Ohm resistor and a 1uF cap - 318 Hz according to my Casio..

is this what Linear tech say...?

Interested to know..

Bill Naylor

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drc_567

Joined Dec 29, 2008
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318 Hz

As a rough check, your 2 1k resistors are in parallel with a voltage source, so the cut off freq is the same as a single RC filter with a 500 Ohm resistor and a 1uF cap - 318 Hz according to my Casio..

is this what Linear tech say...?

Interested to know..

Bill Naylor

<snip>
Electronic Kits for Education and Fun

An LT Spice IV simulation of this circuit agrees precisely with your estimate.
 

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dileepchacko

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The LT-SPICE simulation tool is showing the Cutoff frequency is = 314.534Hz. this value is based on the 3dB reference point. I have attached the file for the reference. It shows different value than 318hz.
 

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Jony130

Joined Feb 17, 2009
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The cut-off frequency is equal
Vo/Vin=1/√2=0.7071067812=-3.010299957dB
And for this circuit is equal
Fc=1/ ( 2*PI*(R1||R2*C) ) = 318.3098862Hz
And simulation show:
Fc=318.313Hz
 

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Ron H

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The LT-SPICE simulation tool is showing the Cutoff frequency is = 314.534Hz. this value is based on the 3dB reference point. I have attached the file for the reference. It shows different value than 318hz.
As Jony130 pointed out, the cutoff frequency occurs at -3.010299957dB. Another, easier to remember point, is the phase shift. It will be exactly -45.0000 degrees.
 
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