1. somian

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    I have recently started trying to use these devices, and I thought that my PICstart plus would program them, but I have discovered that it needs an adaptor. I found the circuit of such an adaptor on the Microchip site, but it isn't a diagram, just some pin connections. I have built my interpretation of it, but it still doesn't work.

    Does any one know the circuit for an adaptor that really does work?

    Thanks,

    Ian
     
  2. ErnieM

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    Serial programming needs 5 lines: power, ground, VPP (MCLR), data and clock. (Data and clock have several names but should be identifiable). If you hook these up you may get it to work.

    I say "may get it to work" because the programmer end (here your PICstart) may need to know a few things about the target device; you may get it to work but if there is trouble there isn't anything to do.

    What you really need is a PICkit II or PICkit III. The II is a little cheaper, the III covers all devices (including the ones yet to be released). You will do yourself a favor to get either of these, and get real Microchip products, not a clone.
     
  3. t06afre

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    Can you show us the link to this adaptor?
     
  4. somian

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    Table 2 in Microchip document DS91079B is what I tried first. A search on the microchip site for the above document number should take you straight to it. There is also a wiring diagram on a different document, but I can't find it at the moment. I will post again when I get home

    Ian
     
  5. JohnInTX

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    Table 2 in the doc is for a PICkit1, not a PICstart programmer. If you are using the 8 pin DIP, just drop it in the 40pin ZIF as noted in the PICstart's documentation - see EDIT below.

    If using SOT-6, make an adapter using an 8 pin DIP header and pin it DIP pin 2-Vdd, DIP pin 7-Vss, DIP pin 8-GP3(Vpp), DIP pin 4-GP1(ISCPCLK), DIP pin5-GP0(ISCPDAT) i.e. matching the pinout of the DIP device to the corresponding pins of the SOT-6. Check out how its done with the AC163021 - described in EDIT below.

    The PICstart firmware must be late enough to support your 10Fxxx. Older PICstarts have an OTP PIC that has to be swapped out. You can get a flash-PIC adapter to replace that and make the PICstart firmware upgradable via MPLAB. If you don't need to program chips out of circuit using the PICstart, consider the PICkits.

    EDIT: have a look at the README file for the PICstart. For MPLAB 8.x its located at
    C:/Program Files (x86)/Microchip/MPLAB IDE/Readmes/Readme for PICSTART Plus.htm
    Here are some excerpts of interest:
    Have fun.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2013
  6. Markd77

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    I've never used the PICstart, but with the PICKIT2 you have to change a setting in the software from Midrange to Baseline because the PIC10F2xx isn't auto-detected. Pretty handy chips if you only need a few pins.
     
  7. nigelwright7557

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    I have a clone and have never had any problems.
    Microchip publish the circuit and software for the PICKIT 3 so it is in the public domain.