OP-AMP filtering/amplification mystery

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iceman529

Joined Jun 17, 2013
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Hi, I am working in a project where i am measuring the current with an micro-controller. I am using a Rogowski coil for A->V afterwords i have an amplification by 41.16(AD623), afterwords an filtering/amplification phase that i cannot understand, i attached a screen of the schematic and also here is a simulation of the filtering amplification part of the design. I understand how the last amplifier works, the non inverting amplifier.

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/#$+3...+-1 o+12+128+0+291+0.078125+9.765625E-5+2+-1
 

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AnalogKid

Joined Aug 1, 2013
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Working from right to left, U2B and U2A are each 2-pole lowpass filters. Depending on the component values, they either combine to form a single 4-pole filter response (3 dB down at the corner frequency), or they are each 2-pole sections so the combo would be 6 dB down at the corner freq. C16 and R3 form a single pole highpass section. Also, C20 has a highpass effect at a much lower frequency.

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iceman529

Joined Jun 17, 2013
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Thank you for the fast reply, after reading the Wikipedia page and a couple of other pages related to the Sallen-Key filter topology and some application notes form TI I still do not understand from where i have the gain factors after each U2A and U2B looking at an application note of TI snippet I got really confused, because i should not have any gain. I calculated the attenuation, hoped that i would find my answer here using the formula from Wikipedia got some numbers that didn't make any sense to me.

Can someone explain from where i get the gain or at-least give me a gain factor that i can use to calculate to make the calculation i the MCU.
 

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iceman529

Joined Jun 17, 2013
16
yes that is what i was expecting but if you look at the simulation that is not true, i put 70mv AC in, after the first amplifier i get a 41mv, after the second i get 139mv (all are peak to peak values), if someone can explain me from where i get this amplifications i will be really grateful.
 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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yes that is what i was expecting but if you look at the simulation that is not true, i put 70mv AC in, after the first amplifier i get a 41mv, after the second i get 139mv (all are peak to peak values), if someone can explain me from where i get this amplifications i will be really grateful.
What simulation?
What frequency?
Post a picture of it.
 

kubeek

Joined Sep 20, 2005
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The simulation is linked in the original post. However I don´t think that the falstad simulator is up to the task for a circuit like this, better get something more proven like the free LTSpice.
 

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iceman529

Joined Jun 17, 2013
16
HERE is the link for the simulation. The simulation works almost as the real life circuit it just ads a couple of millivolts to the peak to peak values, but on the real circuit I still see the same behavior a negative gain after the fist op amp afterwords a positive one after the second. The frequency is 50hz(I sample the power line so a 49.5-50.5Hz is expected)
 
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