Op Amp circuit design for required Vout

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  1. CNC682

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    Q. the block diagram of an electronic system required to
    give the output Vo = 8(V4) + 4(V3) + 2(V2) + V1.

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    Sketch a suitable op-amp circuit to give the required output and show
    the required resistor ratios.

    Vo=8(V4)+4(V3)+2(V2)+V1. I need to design an Op Amp circuit and provide the required resistor ratio values using the "Vo" equation. I know it is a summing amplifier circuit required and the amplification factor, in case of V4 for example is 8. I know that amplification factor is equal to -Rf(feedback resistor) divided by R1,R2 etc (-Rf/R.) If i can find Rf then the rest is easy, any ideas?

    This my design. Rf being R5 in the picture below
    upload_2016-1-31_13-10-37.png
     
  2. bertus

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    Hello,

    All resistors in your schematic have the value 0.
    This will not work.
    Also are the powerconnections of the opamp made?

    Bertus
     
  3. CNC682

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    The schematic is only a digital sketch if you like, i need to calculate the resistor values from the required output- Vo=8(V4)+4(V3)+2(V2)+V1. If i can calculate the feedback resistor then the other resistor values will be easy to calculate
     
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  5. CNC682

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    Thanks for the link, I'm still not sure how this helps find the required resistor ratios for the Vo equation, I dont think the resistor values are equal. upload_2016-1-31_13-50-50.png
    I need to design an op amp circuit to give the required output and show the required resistor ratios. Thanks
     
  6. Jony130

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    First assume that Rf resistor has a given value equal to Rf, next find all other resistors.
     
  7. dannyf

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    First you need negative feedback for it to work.

    Once you have that resolved, you need to calculate the current flowing through the resistors and that will provide you with the right resistor value.
     
  8. CNC682

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    Ok, If I assume that Rf is 100k and Amplification factor=Rf/Rn then for the remaining resistor values we have:

    For V4: 8=100k/R4 . R4= 12.5k
    For V3: 4=100k/R3 . R3=25k
    For V2: 2=100k/R2 . R2=50k
    For V1: 1=100k/R1 . R1=100k

    Can I really just assume Rf?
     
  9. JoeJester

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    Sure you can assume Rf. Then you might only have E24 series resistors on hand and you will have to ensure your choice is the closest to your design constraints.
     
  10. CNC682

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    How do I calculate current without voltage values?
     
  11. shteii01

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    You are not assuming value of Rf. You are CHOOSING value of Rf. You are DESIGNING a circuit, YOU, THE DESIGNER, CHOOSE what goes into the circuit.

    1) Your Rf, R5 in your circuit, is in the wrong place.
    2) You are supposed to have two feedback resistors.
    3) Gain of non-inverting summing amplifier is 1+\frac{Rf2}{Rf1}

    Examine this material for better explanation and example:
    http://microchip.wikidot.com/asp0107:non-inverting-summing-amp

    http://masteringelectronicsdesign.c...f-the-summing-amplifier-with-n-input-signals/
     
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  12. CNC682

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    Apologies just realised my "sketch" has the op amp upside down. It should be an inverting amplifier, therefore I only need one feedback resistor and it is in the right place if I look at inverting examples.
     
  13. shteii01

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    Ok.
    Keep in mind since you are doing inverting summing amp that your answer will be inverted. I think you will need a second op amp with a gain of -1 to produce correct value of Vout.

    Think of it this way:
    Let V1=V2=V3=V4=1 volt
    The inverting summing amplifier will produce:
    -8(1)+(-4)(1)+(-2)(1)+(-1)(1)=-15 volts
    but you are sending positive voltages to be summed up, so your output, Vout, should also be positive, it should be 15 volts.
    So you need to multiply the -15 volts by a -1. The way to do it is to use a second op amp as an inverter, make it have gain of -1, could be as simple as 1 kOhm feedback resistor and 1 kOhm input resistor on the inverting input, non-inverting input is to ground.
     
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  14. dannyf

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    Another way to approach this is to think of the block as aa 4-bit dac. That can be done with a r2r network plus a follower / amplifier.
     
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