Old linear PSU

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  1. Danno.

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    Hi,
    I was wondering if anybody could shed some light on a problem I have with an old PSU, everything was working fine on it but know one of the voltage lines has gone abnormally high. It should be +12Vdc but I am getting a reading of +21Vdc. I have checked the diodes, resistors and caps in the circuit and all appear fine, there is also a MC1723 voltage regulator which I have changed, it has got me stumped as to what can be pulling the voltage up.

    There are also +5V, +24v and -12v supplies on the same unit which are all fine.

    Any pointers would be appreciated, Thanks
     
  2. MrChips

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    There should be a pass power transistor in the supply line. This is probably shorting.

    Photos of the unit, model number and circuit schematic would help us to better help you.
     
  3. MaxHeadRoom

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    What is the secondary(s) AC output?
    If you reverse-engineered the circuit for the MC1723, post it here.
    Max.
     
  4. LDC3

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    Is there a load on the line?
    Even linear PSUs need a load to regulate the voltage. Switching PSUs tend not to provide a voltage to an open circuit, whereas linear PSUs always have a voltage on the line, which tends to be high on an open circuit.
     
  5. Danno.

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    Thanks for quick replies, attached is the schematic, I have put sticky notes on the PDF relating to the problem circuit.

    In answer to the questions,

    1, Yes there is a power transistor TR1 (TIP3055), this has been changed.

    2, TX Secondary output is 14Vac

    3, I am testing with no load, the other two PSU's I have here are reading 12Vdc (or there abouts) not under load.
     
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  6. Danno.

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    Pics of unit
     
  7. LDC3

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    In the picture (ending 953), there is a red wire that looks like it got disconnected from the large capacitor. Is that right?
     
  8. Danno.

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    It is at the moment as I dropped it off to test cap, it's C15 on schematic.

    Also C10 & D13 & D14 are dropped of for testing, normally they are all connected up
     
  9. Reloadron

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    TR1 looks to be a 2N3055. Going back to Mr. Chips post #2. That would be the pass power transistor. IC2 looks to be the 723 driving that transistor. I would check TR1 for a shorted emitter collector.

    Ron
     
  10. alfacliff

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    pin 10 of IC2 should be at around +12 volts. if it is working. and there are 2 2n3055's as well as 2 723 regulators. one for +5 and one for +12.
     
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  11. Reloadron

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    Owww! I missed the other 2N3055. :(

    Ron
     
  12. studiot

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    Just remember that 3055's come in two main packages, (TO3, TOP3 and so on) and so get the right one.

    If you have TO3 then a 2N3772 might be a better chioce of replacement.
     
  13. LDC3

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    If the resistors R16, R17 and VR1 are correct, you should have a little over 7V on pin 4 for a 12V output. With 21V on the output, the voltage would be about 12.5V.

    What is the voltage on pin 4?
     
  14. Danno.

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    I'll measure voltage tomorrow when I'm back in the garage.

    I've been trying to work out how the 723 works as the data sheet doesn't tell you much.


    Thanks
     
  15. studiot

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    mu7231.jpg

    Is this not enough?
     
  16. Danno.

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    Thanks, the data sheet I have doesn't have all that info on.
     
  17. Danno.

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    Well been playing about tonight, measured the voltage on pin 4 and nothing.
    When the fault first occurred I changed the 723 and I added a turned pin header for future ease of change of chips, on closer inspection the joint on pin 4 looked a little dry so I re-flowed it.

    It is no happily sat there with 7.1v on pin 4 and 12v on the output. So would nothing on pin 4 cause this? It appears so.

    Thanks to everyone for comments, going to give it a good run now to make sure fault doesn't re-appear.
     
  18. LDC3

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    Since pin 4 is labeled as the Inverting Input, the operation would definitely be affected if it was floating (but I wouldn't know if you would get overvoltage or undervoltage).
     
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