# Nodal analysis help

Discussion in 'Homework Help' started by prodisoft, Oct 17, 2015.

1. ### prodisoft Thread Starter New Member

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Hi all, i am trying solve the 5.15 exercise, is for modeling and analisis of dymanic sistems, i have a dude using nodal analisis i have I1, this involves L1, Va, R1?

2. ### shteii01 AAC Fanatic!

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So...
What have you got so far?

3. ### prodisoft Thread Starter New Member

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I have this but i have stuck on I1

4. ### shteii01 AAC Fanatic!

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The voltage across inductor is:

so Va-V1=L*dI1/dt
I1 then is:
I1=integral of (Va-V1)/L

5. ### prodisoft Thread Starter New Member

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Thanks a lotfor your help, my dude now is and where i use the Resistor in the analisis?

6. ### shteii01 AAC Fanatic!

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Which one is your reference node?

7. ### prodisoft Thread Starter New Member

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The black point under C

8. ### WBahn Moderator

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Your equations are a hash from the get go. You need to learn to track and check your units.

Your very first equation has "R + L" in the denominator. So you are trying to add resistance to inductance. Resistance has units of ohms, which are equivalent to "volts/amp". Inductance has units of "volt·sec/amp" which is equivalent to "Ω·s". They are incompatible and, had you checked units, you would have known that before wasting any more time on anything further.

Similarly, in your next two equations you have current equal to voltage divided by capacitance (which yields V²/A·s, which is no where close to A) and in the last one you have voltage divided by inductance (which yields A/s).

Most of the mistakes you make will mess up the units and, if you bother to check them, you can catch them very early. If you don't check them ....

9. ### prodisoft Thread Starter New Member

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Yes i see it. sorry for that mistake, i used it just for indicate, you have the reason is confuse.

In my node i have 3 currents, I1, I2, I3

My problem is I1, i think R is part of I1, but how I involve R1 to form part of the equation for I1

10. ### WBahn Moderator

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In your equation for I1, you have (Va-V1), but that is NOT the voltage across the inductor. Va is the voltage at the top-left node relative to the bottom-left node. You need the voltage at the top-left node relative to your chosen common. You are correct in your supposition that you need to get R1 involved somehow. What is the voltage at the bottom-left node relative to your common in terms of R and I1?

11. ### prodisoft Thread Starter New Member

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for L1 Something like this? (−I1R+Va−V1).

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Yes.

13. ### prodisoft Thread Starter New Member

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Then for I1, I have

I1=integral of (−I1R+Va−V1)/L?

14. ### WBahn Moderator

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I think it's L1, isn't it (which is important since you have two inductors in the circuit).