Low Pass Filter Gain

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  1. onqun

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    Hello guys, I need to create db vs frequency graph of a low pass filter. I have capcitor and resistor values. How am I going to find the gain ? R1 is connected to - side of the op amp, + side is grounded. Rf and C is connected in paralel from r1 to vout.
     
  2. Ghar

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    Use circuit theory?

    It works the same as if you just had resistors. You need to use either differential equations or Laplace. Probably Laplace...

    It just becomes Zf/Zin instead of Rf/Rin for the gain.
     
  3. onqun

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    I forgot it :/ i took the class 3 years ago :/ thats why I asked. For gain I have (Rf+Xc1)/R1, but i forgot what does Xc1mean and where should I plug the freguency:/
     
  4. Ghar

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    How did you manage to get that?

    It's close but wrong if Rf and C are in parallel.

    Xc is the reactance of the capacitor. It's the frequency dependent term:
    X_c = \frac{1}{2\pi fC}

    However your equation won't have Xc, it'll have Zc (the impedance):

    Z_c = -jX_c
     
  5. onqun

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  6. onqun

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    How am i going to find the gain after this? (r2+xc)/r1?
     
  7. Ghar

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    Do you remember how to solve op-amp circuits?

    I recommend you use the Laplace transform:

    Z_c = \frac{1}{sC}

    When you do your plot:
    s = jw=j2\pi f

    Zc is parallel with Rf. You treat it the same as a resistor when you write equations.
     
  8. onqun

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    all i remember is current does not go inside of the op amp :/
     
  9. onqun

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    can matlab plot imaginary numbers?
     
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  11. onqun

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    I have one more question, in my book it says that, K = -z2/z1 , Can i write z2 as (rf+c) , so the gain would be - (rf +c)/r1?
     
  12. Ghar

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    They're in parallel, not series:

    Z_2 = R_f || Z_c = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{R_f} + sC}
     
  13. onqun

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    I apologize i did correct on the paper , lol =)and yes i added the negative sign as well thank you. so is that final ( Zc//Rf)/R1 = gain is correct ?
     
  14. Ghar

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    Yep that's all it is.

    There's standard form to put it into which is good practice to follow:

    H(s) = \frac{K}{\frac{s}{w_o} + 1}

    This way you can set s = 0 and see the low frequency gain instantly (K), as well as the cut off frequency (wo).
     
  15. onqun

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    thank you very much my friend have a good night =)
     
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