LM741 Pre Amplifier help: How to remove such a huge amount of noise at the output ???

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  1. HaseebEngineer

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    Here is the schematic of what i made so far ... I have an 8ohm speaker .. the output of this amplifier is not that much loud but too much noisy ... I have used several decoupling and bypass capacitor but that didn't work for me :(, instead of making it better it completely remove the sound ... Please help me for how to get a clear sound at the output ... or tell me whats wrong with this circuit ... Thanks alot ... Em Haseeb Khan doing Electrical Engineering ...
     
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    A modern general purpose op amp is supposed to have 600 or more ohms as the load. Your circuit has only 8 ohms. You will get noise and saturation with that.

    Remember, a power amp supplies low resistance loads. A pre-amp amplifies things like microphone or guitar signals to a line level (about 1 volt rms) and passes that to a power amp.

    You have a pre amp circuit.

    Your circuit has a gain of 100x - depending on the power supply, you may be getting saturation if your input signal is too big (more than 0.20 volts peak-to-peak with a 24 volt supply).

    Also, the ressitors to your virtual ground for your non-inverting input may be a bit too big. You will get less noise with 10k resistors to Vcc and non-inverting input, then another 10k for non-inverting input to ground. A jfet input op amp like suggested above can handle higher value resistors there (100k).


    Finally, I would put the output capacitor after the potentiometer - not before as shown here. The whole feedback loop is floating in your schematic and that can cause some latch-up issues. Put a 1k resistor in series with the potentiometer between the op amp output and the potentiometer) to insure you have at least 1k ohm resistance when volume is all the way up.
     
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  4. BobTPH

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    If you want to power a speaker, use an LM386, which is designed to do just that.

    Bob
     
  5. HaseebEngineer

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    Thank you guys for help :)
     
  6. HaseebEngineer

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    I have a 11v and 1A transformer ... I have made a negative supply using NE555 IC ... so now my positive and negative terminals gives about +-15 volts ... I have set the amplifier to give an output of -9 volts ... the input is i guess 0.336 volts ...
     
  7. HaseebEngineer

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    What about this circuit ... I have an input of 0.336v and output gives me -7v all the way up ... but with a lot of noise ... can anyone modify this for me to have almost no noise ... please help
     
  8. HaseebEngineer

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    or can i use two or three amplifier in series to minimize the noise ? but how ?
     
  9. GopherT

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    Do you have a real circuit on a breadboard or just this simulation?
     
  10. JoeJester

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    What are your design specifications? What is the preferred input signal specificatoins? What is the output load?
     
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    Yes ofcourse i have a real circuit ..
     
  12. HaseebEngineer

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    Input is a simple audio jack out of a laptop which is normally 0.3volts peak to peak ... and output is connected to an 8ohm speaker ...
     
  13. bertus

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    Hello,

    As said before, you can NOT drive an 8 Ohm speaker with a LM741.
    You will need an LM386 or better to drive an 8 Ohm speaker.

    Bertus
     
  14. HaseebEngineer

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    Okay thanks for the help .. I'll go buy LM386 tomorrow ... if something went wrong i'll contact you ... can u suggest some best audio amplifiers for i can make a subwoofer system as well ... ?
     
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    I have studied about the amplifiers but i just dont know which IC to use to have a perfect and the best loud amplifier ??? I want to make a subwoofer along with left and right speakers ... a loud one without any noise ... can u suggest me a circuit or an IC ? high wattage high voltage with almost no noise ?? ...
     
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    Hello,

    How much power do you want for the left and right channels?
    How much power do you want for the sub-woofer channel?
    You also will probably need a sound processor for the sub-woofer.

    All circuits for these can be found on the projects page of Elliots Sound Products:
    http://sound.westhost.com/projects-0.htm

    Bertus
     
  18. HaseebEngineer

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    I want both left and right to be 60W .. and the subwoofer to be minimun of 6W ... which IC should i use ?
     
  19. bertus

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    Hello,

    The LM3876 will give you an 50 Watt output.
    Have a look at this project from the page I gave you:
    http://sound.westhost.com/project19.htm

    I am not a sound expert, but as far as I know the sub-woofer amplifiers are bigger as the left and right channels.

    Bertus
     
  20. HaseebEngineer

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    I have b0ught TDA2030A Amplifier ... So now how can i make a subwoofer with it ?
     
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