Large fine for dutch spammer

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by bertus, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. bertus

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    Hello,

    In the news in holland there was a message about a spammer.
    The spammer got a fine of 250.000 Euro for sending 21 million spam mails
    from the dutch telecom autority OPTA.
    For each day he continius to send spam he will get a fine of 5000 Euro a day.

    How is spam fined in your country?

    Greetings,
    Bertus
     
  2. Mark44

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    As far as I can tell, spam is fine in my country (U.S.). I am constantly getting email enticing me to increase the size of my male member, buy a Rolex watch, join Match.com (oddly enough, these are addressed to woolsy107), and a lot more.
     
  3. jpanhalt

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    On reading some of the charges, it looks like mail fraud and contempt of court may be what got him into the slammer. Sometimes the only convictions that will stick to the biggest crooks are something relatively trivial, like mail fraud or income tax evasion (Al Capone, a famous gangster and murderer got convicted and went to jail for tax evasion).

    I am not sure what laws we have in the US against spamming per se. Our First Amendment (Free Speech) protections are pretty powerful.

    John
     
  4. bertus

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    Hello,

    In holland it is not allowed to send mails to a person without permission of that person.
    They call it "opt-in".
    Most providers in holland have spam filters installed.
    I hardly get any spam at home. (I have three e-mail accounts).
    I think the spam inside this forum is rather low.
    The forum leaders take care that the spammers are kicked out.
    ( I am a moderator at a dutch forum that gets as much spam as here with 1/100 of the activity maximum 10 users online, most ever was 250 ).

    Greetings,
    Bertus
     
  5. HarveyH42

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    Wonder how much a spammer makes per day...
     
  6. SigmaCeq

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    I wish they would start fining spammers here in the U.S. Even my university email address gets spam these days!
     
  7. loosewire

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    42,they recruit them in university,I had a college guy that said he did it
    in the Boston area. He was a world traveler with connections that are
    hard tract.So you go overseas and make connections, some people
    are not concerned about regulations. The american market place will
    never return as you knew It. Global trade has venture trading money
    that Is rooted In small business chains. Shopping centers,condo offices
    world money connection.Your computer could be used for spam without
    your permission.
     
  8. JoeJester

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    And some sites identify spammers by subscribing to a service that puts the spammers IP address on a blocking list.

    When the infected user clears the problem, their IP can be removed from the list.
     
  9. loosewire

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    What is your government called,how does It work.Who makes the laws.
     
  10. rspuzio

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    > I am not sure what laws we have in the US against
    > spamming per se.

    There is an anti-spam law ---- for more information, see the FTC webpage:

    http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/ecommerce/bus61.shtm

    > Our First Amendment (Free Speech) protections are pretty powerful.

    The thing to note is that the law defines spam as unsolicited
    commercial e-mails. While free speech applies to commercial
    speech, it only goes so far in that case, so a spammer caught
    soliciting watches to Mark44 is not likely to get too far pleading
    the first amendment.

    > Your computer could be used for spam without
    > your permission.

    Setting a tight firewall and avoiding programs which you
    suspect have trapdoors (or, at least running them under
    a separate account with minimal permissions) should go
    a long way to keeping this from happening if not make it
    virtually impossible. The problem I've run into is not that
    someone got into my computer, but that the spammer
    got into my free web e-mail account (or impersonated me).
    Fortunately, the problem got straightened out pretty
    quickly by the web e-mail company.
     
  11. jpanhalt

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    Thanks for the FTC link. Unfortunately, it does not seem to be enforced too rigorously, and it is hard to catch them. I wonder if one could sue under qui tam? All spammers need is to claim a "business relationship," which is all too easy to establish -- even if you don't know it is being done. Have you gotten your "final notice auto warranty" or the $1000 coupon at XXX store today yet? Also, just like the "do not call list," I suspect there are a lot of exceptions.

    John
     
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