# lab power supply, ground, negative voltage

Discussion in 'General Electronics Chat' started by PG1995, Apr 17, 2011.

1. ### PG1995 Thread Starter Active Member

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Hi

Please have a look on this picture:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8841/powersupplyg.jpg

If I connect one lead to the ground terminal and the other one to -ve terminal, I will have 0V to -30V. Correct? But what does this really mean? What is the direction of electron current? Before you answer this, I would request you to go through the entire post.

I have always thought -ve terminal is simply taken the ground because conventional current flows towards this terminal.

In 'actuality' electrons (or electron current) flows from -v terminal toward +ve terminal. I could get 0V to 30V when I have leads connected to +ve and -ve terminals. But I could also get the same range of voltage, 0V to 30V, when I have one lead connected to the +ve and the other one to the ground. Is then the ground also a '-ve' terminal because there should be something which is pumping electrons into +ve terminal?

I hope you can see my confusions and I do hope you would be able to help me out to clear them. Thanks a lot.

Regards
PG

2. ### Kermit2 AAC Fanatic!

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3. ### kubeek AAC Fanatic!

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You will probably have 0 volts, because the ground terminal usually is the metal shield of the device, and not connected to the actual supply (or through a quite high resistance).
If the ground is actually connected to the supply, it will most likely be connected to the negative terminal, again giving you 0 volts.

You will get the regulated 0 to 30V between the + and - terminals, that is for sure. (or 0 to -30V between the - and + terminals)

4. ### PG1995 Thread Starter Active Member

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Not sure about that. Some days ago I had the lead coming out of +ve terminal connected to the lead coming from the ground which formed a junction. Then I attached the +ve terminal of the DMM to this junction, and the other terminal of the DMM to the -ve terminal of the power supply. The DMM gave me -ve readings. What do you make of it?

5. ### mbxs3 Active Member

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What to you read if you switch your DMM to read resistance and you read between the "-" jack and the ground jack on your supply?

6. ### mbxs3 Active Member

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Also, is the power cord for this unit 2 prong or 3 prong? I would imagine it is 3 prong. If so, does the "E" lead of the power cord read continuity to the ground jack on the front of the power supply? If it does then there is a very high chance that the ground jack is connected to the chassis.

7. ### PG1995 Thread Starter Active Member

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Hi mbxs3

Sorry. I couldn't understand your above post. I'm not an English speaker, perhaps that's the reason for this.

It's 2 prong. I'm sure. Now what do you suggest?

Please help me with this. Thanks.

8. ### someonesdad Senior Member

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The usual convention is that the metal binding post is connected to the metal chassis of the power supply. It's also usual to have a three-prong power cord plug so that the chassis is grounded to the earth safety ground in the wall socket. Not having that three wire cord is unusual -- I wouldn't be surprised if someone cut the original off. I prefer having that ground connection precisely because it gives a reference potential. This allows you to connect either the + or - output of the power supply to the grounding terminal, which then lets you source a negative or positive voltage. Or, you can leave the terminals floating; it's your choice as a user.

When there's room for it, I like to add a switch that allows me to connect the + or - terminal to ground or leave it floating. I've always wished manufacturers supplied a switch for this (a recessed slide switch would be the choice), but it's typically not done.

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9. ### Adjuster Well-Known Member

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There is some relationship between grounding and electron flow, in the sense that certain dominant electronic devices have a negative common electrode. In the past, electron tubes filled this role, but nowadays NPN transistors and N-Channel FETs are mainly used.

Although the negative side of a power supply is most often grounded, this is not always done. Some systems like operational amplifiers have both positive and negative supplies, with a grounded common rail. Less commonly, a negative supply is used with a common positive return. This is found in telephone equipment (-48V supply) and some logic families (ECL).

10. ### Wendy Moderator

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I agree, but the OP could make a simple measurement and confirm, if he has the unit.

In any case, you do not need a true ground for power supplies and op amps.

Creating a Virtual Power Supply Ground

11. ### PG1995 Thread Starter Active Member

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Thanks a lot, everyone. I'm much grateful to you all for your guidance. I will ask some follow-on questions soon.

Best wishes
Jackson