Information You Don't Need

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  1. loosewire

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    They say that Information you don't use Is making search engine's
    too Invovled In your life. You are telling every thing about your self
    that could be abused later on. How many time's do you search and never
    use the Info or search to help someone else. There has been some
    supect that the search engine's are learning too much about you. As
    they get bigger there stock Increase using your Info. Let's go back to
    reference book's go where we can find out how the meaning of word's have
    changed while we were out of touch.So the next time you are asked
    about a subject try your reference books before computer and report
    any changes you find. They say polling Is being conducted on your computer
    use. Do you think your Info would be sold for a profit.Things you don't talk about here
    like paying bills and making purchased or punching a button to give a buck
    to a candidate of your choice. You need to read page 8 In your newspaper,
    what left of it. The paper give you a teaser and tell you to go there web site
    for the rest of story. A little home work,the only free way to pay a
    credit card is on-line. Phone or mail a fee payment must be paid by 3:00pm
    eastern on due date. What give's with all the automated stuff,It should give you
    Instant credit. The free online give's them access to your social with your
    permission which they can sell,and you can't take It back once they have It.
    So If you paid 25 bills they are giving you $25 hundred dollars a month to have your service.
    What give's, they have to be making 1oo times. Maybe that account's for all the big bonus
    bucks they are going to pay there broker's this year. The old saying you can go to jail
    for sending Inter state mail. There Is law's on the books.(Notice on statement)
    Your trash could be an Identity thief"s Gold.Manage your account online and end the
    ( paper Trail). Give the internet your paper trail forever, your heir's to.
     
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  2. jpanhalt

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    Which newspaper?

    As for search engines collecting information about the searcher, there is no doubt about that. Some claim it is just to tailor the results to your location. When was the last/first/only time you got something absolutely free?

    The questions that concern me are what other uses are being made of the collected information, who has access to it or can get it through a court, and would any sort of control on that activity create even worse risks to privacy?

    Despite the obvious excuses for discovery (e.g., to prevent terrorism), I think personally identifiable information gained from searches should be protected from discovery and from unauthorized release to any other party. Searches have effectively become an expression of private thought, and they should be protected as such. In other words, a search should be as protected as a conversation with your attorney or physician. The few exceptions that exist for attorneys and physicians might be considered also to apply to search statistics, but even such exceptions would concern me.

    John
     
  3. JoeJester

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    I'm sure they use your ip address when you search. They can put "targeted advertising" on future searches.

    Mess with their heads ... search for PVC, visit both the plumbing supplier and the erotic clothing store. :D
     
  4. blueroomelectronics

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    Loosewire why do you use carriage returns in your posts midway through a sentence?
     
  5. Nanophotonics

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    The internet has definitely questioned the ethics and privacy sectors. I think by collecting your information via search engines, they might be able to sketch your personality, which can make one more vulnerable.
     
  6. JoeJester

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    True. So you start your own mis-information campaign.
     
  7. Nanophotonics

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    What mis-information campaign?
     
  8. steveb

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    Perhaps laws will change in the future, but it's better to think of the internet as a public place. If you speak to a friend on the street, you may be overheard and that is discoverable information via a witness. The FBI can place a wire tap on a public street, and if they pick up what you say, it's usable in court. There are some rights you have in public. For example, you can pay someone in cash in public, and it is illegal for someone to run up and steal it from you. So, your credit card information and financial business on the internet should be protected from abuse. But, it's not reasonable to expect full privacy on the internet, any more than you can expect it on any public venue: - at least not right now.
     
  9. loosewire

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    What about making hugh profits on your Information times millions and millions
    without there Implied consent and fine print.
     
  10. jpanhalt

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    @steveb,

    I agree in large part with what you say as to the current status and on some things (e.g., a public wire tap), I don't have enough information.

    However, I disagree that any act in a public place is necessarily public information. Being in a public place does not mean all conversations or actions are public or can be considered public. If you use a listening device to hone in on an otherwise private conversation at a public location, say in Maryland, then that is violation of Maryland and probably Federal law. When you use a public restroom, it is expected that your actions are not being viewed and recorded. Similarly, the forms you fill out in the waiting room of a hospital are protected. Someone with a hidden camera, even a security camera, cannot reveal that information without a court order. The key element is the expectation of privacy.

    In theory, even before the Internet, whatever records existed of information searches one did at the library could be obtained by search warrant, but not without one.* I was expressing my belief that the Internet has become so integrated into our lives that it deserves protection as a type of private activity. I believe privacy laws need to be updated today in light of the tools that are available and are being used to violate our privacy.

    John

    *The Patriot Act, which I oppose, made such information available to the government even without a search warrant. I believe that is one of the more insidious aspects of that law.
     
  11. JoeJester

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    You could always search the public records without a search warrant.

    Births, deaths, etc. Today, the information has expanded, mostly by ease of capture.

    How many people install free programs on their computer? Lots. How many bother to check and see what the price of that free program was? None.

    So to combat the tracking software we install anti-virus, anti-trojan, and anti-tracking cookie software. It's an oft repeated game. During WWII, a catch phrase was loose lips sink ships. I'm sure there were ships that went down because of things overheard when sailors imbibed a little. These days you see the sailing schedule online.

    It's up to you to protect your online personna.

    Isn't Maryland one of those states where only one party has to have knowledge of the taping? Anything you put on the internet is public access, as it is meant for public consumption. Your expectation of privacy means you need to take the necessary measures to secure your privacy if you expect it to remain private.

    Free stuff has a price.

    When you "buy" something online, do you always ensure the little "lock" is showing before you place your credit card information?

    Does Facebook, mySpace, and other social networking sites have a privacy policy? I know you can "make your profile private" but what does that really mean? I don't have a facebook or mySpace so I really don't know.

    Typically the user agreement will spell out the expectations.

    SPAM aside, the email you receive is tailored towards you based on your purchasing history.
     
  12. jpanhalt

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    Nope. Maryland is a two-party state. Remember Linda Tripp? But my example was "no party", i.e, eavesdropping using specialized equipment, which is illegal even in one-party states.

    That is simply wrong. "a" does not imply, mean, nor necessitate "b." I am not talking about posting on a forum like this, I am talking about using the Internet. Your credit card information and medical record, which can be accessed by you over the Internet, is not public information.

    John
     
  13. steveb

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    I agree with you. I wasn't saying that any act in public is necessarily public information. There are always exceptions to general rules. What I said was. " You can't expect full privacy" and "There are some rights you have in public." So we are thinking along the same lines.

    My point is simply that the internet is very much like a public place. There can be people openly or covertly observing you. Until/unless strict laws are enacted, the same caution you use walking through New York City is advisable on the internet.

    For example, a minister or preacher would be well advised to not surf porn, just as he would not want to be seen walking the red-light district in Amsterdam. If his congregation finds out either one, they may want to fire him.

    You shouldn't communicate credit card numbers without security protocalls, just as you wouldn't yell them out in a crowd. You may be the victim of fraud, either way.

    If a person is google searching information and asking questions about bomb making, it's as suspicious as if he walks into 50 amunition stores in the city and then goes to Central Park and asks people how to make bombs. You may get the attention of law enforcement either way.

    We may oppose the idea of someone deliberately tracking our internet activities, but someone can hire a private investigator to follow us around in public and report on our activities. So, again we can make similar comparisons.

    I agree that there are improvements that could be made with some laws related to privacy on the internet. However, even in the real world, things are not ideal. Famous people are often legally harassed by reporters and picture takers. That doesn't seem fair to me either.
     
  14. thatoneguy

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    Track Me Not is one attempt at mis-information.

    If you look at google and other trends, it shows the age groups, ethnicity, income, and education of people that visit any particular site often. Though the site NEVER asks you for any of that.

    It is stored in cookies with your IP, as well as huge user databases purchased by the trend firms using advanced data-mining to "fill in the blanks" where data is missing.
     
  15. jpanhalt

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    I suspect we agree on virtually everything, particularly the need for laws to keep up with technology. I also agree on the specific example you give with the details.

    If you generalize your "bomb" example, looking up bomb (i.e., "bad things") making should not be a crime, nor should it be tracked in my opinion. One may be trying to avoid causing an explosion. Years ago, I was doing research on an interesting biochemical reaction in microorganisms. I needed to start with a 4-hydroxyindole nucleus to make a particular substrate. Unfortunately, psylocybin has a 4-hydroxy indole nucleus, so I could not get any of the starting materials. My research couldn't have been further from the illicit uses of that drug, but paranoia over its misuse made me stop that line of experimentation. Thank goodness that was pre-Internet days, or my office may have been raided. :D

    There is an enormous amount of information and technology that can be used for good or bad. Intimidation by those who want to control "bad" uses is enough in many cases simply to prevent work on good uses. I don't know if my work would have led to better diagnosis of certain types of infections, but I was very bothered by the fact that I couldn't even try to find out that answer.

    Thus, I would rather err on the side of letting people find out how bombs ("bad things" in the abstract) are made and prosecute only those who make them, than prevent dissemination of that information.

    John
     
  16. Nanophotonics

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    Yes, they do have privacy policies. If I remember well, whatever pictures/information, etc, you upload on facebook, it becomes the property of facebook. I think the most "unprotected" people would be our youngsters and/or novice computer/internet users. Many youngsters would create an account of facebook and start up adding friends and share private information.
    Some people even got fired after having related their terrible day at work on facebook and forgetting their boss was in their facebook friends' list.

    Thanks for the information.
     
  17. loosewire

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    You guy's give me the creeps,I have to try to sleep now. Somebody on the internet has to have
    information access,why we post it there with out regard to how we think or how we work. We
    hid from one another,but give the world information about our self's some how leaving our mark
    that we were there on earth and left our story for all to remember. Fifty years from now there will a
    new computer langage that digest all this information into a few marks, so that generation don't
    have to erase.there will be so much information where will they recycle it at ,any guest where it will
    be,no place for it remember all the hard drive's that is being developed. All the software,maybe it
    will be sent to the sun. What is the math formula to raise a rocket up the space elevator then
    sent it to the sun.
     
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  18. Wendy

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    Just remember while you're laying there, we're watching you.
     
  19. JoeJester

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    The only way demographics get out there is when people click the appropriate boxes.

    Ever take an online IQ test?

    They ask alot of questions. Those that want the results answer the questions ... including their phone number on most tests. Guess what ... giving out your phone number removes it from the Do Not Call list and it takes a minimum of 30 days to get the list back to all the those who use that list. Enjoy the telemarketers.

    People willingly give up their information. The power to stop it lies in the user's hands.

    Those free Online tests have a price. Some gladly pay the price, others will stop prior to getting their results. The corrective action is done by the person you see in the morning mirror, the glass device, not the newspaper.
     
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