How to get 1/x function with op-amp?

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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That is a very good question which I cannot answer until the circuit is built and tested.
I'm only presenting ideas for you to work with. Remember this is your homework, not mine.
 

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Solarelf

Joined Oct 30, 2014
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I've never thought of this one before but I would start thinking about a transconductance amplifier.

Start by thinking about Ohm's Law.

I = V/R

If you can keep V constant but change R as a of function V

then I = k/V

Now it is relatively easy to convert I to an output voltage.
That was my first idea, however, I have little to no expierence with TA.... will keep the idea for later use!
 

t_n_k

Joined Mar 6, 2009
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On reflection I suspect there needs to be a unity gain buffer between Q2 & Q3 emitters. So unfortunately one more Op amp is needed.
It will be interesting to hear how your professor constructed the solution with just two amplifiers.
 

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Solarelf

Joined Oct 30, 2014
21
OK guys, I am gratefull to you all for your help,

here is one (tested in NI Multisim) solution:

Using AD633 (multiplier), according to the reference circuit in the datasheet for the AD633, 'Configuration for division operation'. Slightly adjusted to offer for a better linearity of the feed function. As the AD633 scales the output on 10V scale, the output will be Vout=-10*(Vy/Vx). If we keep Vy constant, i.e. =1V, we'll have exactly 1/x dependence at the output. The LOG-ANTILOG converters are already withing the AD633. It also provides Z input for the offset correction, Vy becoming actually a scaling factor.

The linearity of the AD633 is 0.5% at the best (the offset is finely tuned for the better scale).

Will now try to simulate other solutions you kindly offered!

Regards,
S.
 

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Solarelf

Joined Oct 30, 2014
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A two op-amp solution possibly....???
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Dear t_n_k,

Forgive me my ignorance, but can you explain further your circuit... Q1-Q2 + R set are there as a current source only? If so, can we use some specialized IC instead, t.ex. LM431? And then, the I ref should also provide some 'V out offset' regulation? Given Vi >0, and both the op-amps operting from bipolar supply (I prefer LM7101 for low offset), will this circuit allow Vi to approach Vground (=0) level to : a) true zero b) as cloase as op-amps allow (typ.15-20 mV) c) typical 'transistor diode' offeset (0.6V)?

Thank you!
 

t_n_k

Joined Mar 6, 2009
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Yes - the arrangement is somewhat basic biasing of Q1 & Q2 to preset Iref. Perhaps a constant current source might improve accuracy / linearity.
Keep in mind this idea is purely a thought experiment on my part. I've neither built nor simulated the circuit. Make of it what you may.
 

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Solarelf

Joined Oct 30, 2014
21
Yes - the arrangement is somewhat basic biasing of Q1 & Q2 to preset Iref. Perhaps a constant current source might improve accuracy / linearity.
Keep in mind this idea is purely a thought experiment on my part. I've neither built nor simulated the circuit. Make of it what you may.
Naturally.... thanks... the circuit appears to me a basic Log-amp (first op-amp), which is inverting as well. The second should be anti-log, if I am not mistaken. Thus, in terms of functions, we have LOG-Invert-Anti-LOG, right? But why you used differential amplifier (for a reason, which is?).

Regards, S.
 
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