How does any company like Intel make micro controller?

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  1. vead

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    I am student I don't have much knowledge about chip designing process. I have simple query

    How does any company like Intel make micro controller ?
    I have done little work.
    -first they will decide features for controller
    -they will decide software tool I don't know which one
    - they will write code (verilog or vhdl)
    -they will make schematic diagram for controller
    -they will make layout design
    - physical design (fabrication process and packing )

    (features-code-simulation-testing-verification-chip)

    I know that's not enough, I am not sure, that I am going to correct way but anyone can share the design Idea how they will start designing ?
     
  2. kubeek

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    Yes that is about the way they would approach it. However the design process is not a straight line from features to physical design. It goes back in loops to change and improve the previous steps based on the results of the next step. For example they find out that the physical chip is too big, slow, or power hungry, so they have to go back and change something in the specification or implementation to meet their goals.
     
  3. PackratKing

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    They also have to make sure that the rogue circuits they are compelled to include work properly...
    Paranoid Pete ??? I don't think so...
     
  4. wayneh

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    And then new, enabling technologies come along and a re-design is done to exploit the latest state-of-the-art technologies.
     
  5. nsaspook

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    Then there is legal action and if they are a very big company they buy the little company if they can't stop them in court.
     
  6. vead

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    I am little bit confused on following things
    1) what is functional design design for micro controller?
    2) what is logic design for micro controller ?

    3)does anyone know which latest tool is used to design controller?
     
  7. GopherT

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    Look in the datasheet, microchip Pic16f877 for example. There is a nice block diagram for each functional unit in each chapter. I/o pins, ADC, timers, comparators, and the Counter that steps through each line of code.

    There is a lot there! Why do you ask, are you thinking about building one?
     
  8. vead

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    Yes you are correct, what is functional design and digital design
     
  9. davebee

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  10. kubeek

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    My guess is that he is having a subject where those questions are asked, and yet no one except the tutor has the correct answers.
     
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  11. Papabravo

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    The real answer to this is that they started in 1971 to get to where they are today. Just think vead if you start now you might get there in 2057!!
     
  12. vead

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    I know it's not easy but I think batterer to do something then to do nothing
     
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  13. Papabravo

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    Well of course it is. They didn't get there in a short span of time and neither will you. The patient application of time and pressure will carve out large canyons.
     
  14. takao21203

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    Instead of dreaming of superduper microcontrollar which maybe in some years will become reality- what about working out something you can do, and can understand?

    Start small, collect results, and then try more complex designs.

    Mostly you can ditch the schematic thinking you'll see. I still have not seen any work you have done or any blog/website/picture.
     
  15. bountyhunter

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    You should give Brian Halla a call. When he took over as CEO of national Semiconductor about ten years ago, his mission was to sell off one of the most productive analog companies on earth to raise capital to make a microprocessor company to "beat" Intel at the game of building uPs. The name of his new company was Cyrix.

    Three billion wasted dollars later, he gave up.

    I sure hope you are not planning on doing the same thing.
     
  16. bountyhunter

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    Yeah, I think they realize if they post in the homework forum, we might try to make them learn something.:D
     
  17. Papabravo

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    AMD is damn near dead after all these years of competing with Intel. Microchip (formerly General Instrument) actually did it right. They've come a long way in 20 years since the PIC165x.
     
  18. bountyhunter

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    What people don't realize is that Intel is always several generations ahead of everybody else..... and ahead of what they are selling. Halla and his buddy gave up after they did an experiment: they bought a new computer with an Intel processor and started cranking up the clock speed and found out it could easily run about 50% faster than the stated speed and WAYYY faster than anything anybody else could build. Intel "feeds" it's performance increases to the market as needed to create new business. Anybody who thinks they can beat intel is delusional IMHO.
     
  19. GopherT

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    ARM seems to be keeping up (leading) intel. A completely different business model (outsourced manufacturing) but the iPhone/iPad and many other smartphones are using them. Intel does a good job in
    PCs and laptops but ARM seems to have the mobile market.

    As for our OP, what is wrong/missing from the current offerings in the marketplace?
     
  20. vead

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    I am reading with basic. I am collecting Information about processor , memory , I am reading datasheet but there is problem, can anyone tell me If there is many option how I can select particular one what are the basic step what basics we use to select one
     
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