Help with Voice Changer Circuit

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  1. jj_alukkas

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    Hi everyone,
    I started with a new project yesterday for voice changing using dual op-amps.. Its a band pass filter but when I tried building it, it returns a houling sound all the time.. The pre-amp(1st section) and power amp( 3rd stage) works fine when coupled directly without the band pass stage in between.. but when i connect the 2nd stage without even giving an input, it starts to houl.. something is making it oscillate so badly.. I replaced the op-amp chip and changed power supplies and batteries but no gain.. Somebody please help me with this.. i suggested this circuit for my friend's mini project at college and now it doesnt give output, so I tried it myself and no gain..
    This is the link for the site
    http://www.redcircuits.com/Page112.htm

    This is the circuit
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    P1______________10K Log. Potentiometer

    R1,R10__________10K 1/4W Resistors
    R2_______________1K 1/4W Resistor
    R3______________50K 1/2W Trimmer Cermet or Carbon
    R4,R6,R7,R14___100K 1/4W Resistors
    R5______________47K 1/4W Resistor
    R8______________68K 1/4W Resistor
    R9_______________2K2 1/2W Trimmer Cermet or Carbon
    R11_____________33K 1/4W Resistor
    R12_____________18K 1/4W Resistor
    R13_____________15K 1/4W Resistor


    C1,C2,C3,C8,C9_100nF 63V Polyester Capacitors
    C4______________10µF 25V Electrolytic Capacitor
    C5_____________220nF 63V Polyester Capacitor (Optional, see Notes)
    C6_______________4n7 63V Polyester Capacitor
    C7______________10nF 63V Polyester Capacitor
    C10____________220µF 25V Electrolytic Capacitor

    IC1___________LM358 Low Power Dual Op-amp
    IC2_________TDA7052 Audio power amplifier IC

    MIC1__________Miniature electret microphone

    SPKR______________8 Ohm Small Loudspeaker

    SW1____________DPDT Toggle or Slide Switch
    SW2,SW3________SPST Toggle or Slide Switches

    J1____________6.3mm or 3mm Mono Jack socket

    B1_______________9V PP3 Battery (See Notes)

    Clip for PP3 Battery
     
  2. thingmaker3

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    How close is your mic to the speaker? Are you simply getting feedback?
     
  3. jj_alukkas

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    I have breadboarded the whole circuit and mic stands on a 2 inch wire and not directed to the speaker.. but that is not important as the circuit gives a siren like sound even without the mic or preamp connected.. The middle section is the problem.. The houling sound is so large that i cannot distinguish any other sound in it even if the preamp is feeding in a good signal.. the preamp with the audio amp alone works fine..
     
  4. jj_alukkas

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    Noone with ideas on opamps here???
     
  5. bertus

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    Hello,

    It sound like the middle section is oscillating.(acting as a wienbridge oscillator).
    Does it happen with all positions of R9 ?

    Greetings,
    Bertus
     
  6. flat5

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    R13 & C7 are providing positive feedback, right?
    With 15k & 10nf...I don't know what freq. to expect.

    Also, he's using a breadboard. Are the impedances high enough to cause problems with stray capacitance?
     
  7. Audioguru

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    The middle opamp is supposed to be a Wien Bridge resonator tuned to 1050Hz.
    It oscillates when its gain is 3 or more.
    R9 adjusts its gain from 2.48 to 3.02.
    The values for R10 and R12 must be correct or it will oscillate all the time.
     
  8. venkatapathy

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    Mar 15, 2009
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    i also hav d same problem
    cud someone please help me
    cant find any error
    pls make it fast
     
  9. venkatapathy

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    hey bertus cudnt u help me wit d voice changer now please
     
  10. bertus

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    Hello,

    As audioguru said, the gain must be lower than 3.
    Change R10 to 12K and R9 to 4k7.
    This will give a gain cange between 2.08 and 2.89.
    Thsi way the circuit will not oscillate.

    Greetings,
    Bertus

    PS I do not reply to PM's
    @ venkatapathy: The way you ask the question is hijacking the thread, the thread belongs to jj_alukkas
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2009
  11. venkatapathy

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    it works but the voice change is insignificant.
    can we make tat significant
    someone pls reply
     
  12. Audioguru

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    It is a stupid circuit. It does not change the sound of a voice, it just makes frequencies near 1050Hz resonant.

    If you turn up the pot then a voice might sound like a single-frequency robot.
     
  13. bertus

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  14. jj_alukkas

    Thread Starter Well-Known Member

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    Sorry guys for the long delay but thanks to all for the replies... I changed only the R10 to 12k from 10k and oscillating problem went away... Now signal is clean but works just as a preamp.. Can someone help to modify it to produce a small voice change?? This project was accepted as my friend's project and now cant change the title.. Its ok if its a robot voice...
     
  15. bertus

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    Hello,

    Change R9 to 4.7 K , R10 to 12 K and R12 to 22 K.
    Now the gain range is from 1.76 to 3.23 (greater than 3 will oscillate).

    Greetings,
    Bertus

    PS did you see the other schematic, it will give a much greater voice change.
     
  16. jj_alukkas

    Thread Starter Well-Known Member

    Jan 8, 2009
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    Bertus thanks a lot for the other circuits, i have saved them for my future use. I couldn't use those for the current project as circuit and title once submitted to college can't be changed once they are accepted.. Also I will try your resistance suggessions and give feedback.. Hope capacitance change is not required.. Thanks a lot Bertus..
     
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