Help plugging old oscilloscope

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  1. burricios69

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    Hi all,
    I recently got an old oscilloscope and (although it may seem a bit sad) I have no idea on how to plug it in. Instead of a normal plug, it has a couple of bananas conectors. Here you have a picture so you can see it:

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    So, does anyone know how to connect this to a normal outlet?
    Thanks in advance
     
  2. DerStrom8

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    If you're sure that's a power cord, you should replace it with one with a standard plug for your part of the world. Looks like a custom rig-up to me.
     
  3. MaxHeadRoom

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    Does it have a plate somehwhere on the outside stating Voltage and wattage?
    Max.
     
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  4. MrChips

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    Show us some more pictures of what the scope looks like, any nameplates and where that power cord enters the scope.
     
  5. ISB123

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    Looks like a hack job.
     
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  6. burricios69

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    Hi,
    Thanks for the replies. Here are two pictures of the oscilloscope, from its back and its front. Its an Telequipment D61a (as u can see in the first picture).

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  7. Robin Mitchell

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    Hi,

    I have two of those oscilloscopes, they are actually pretty good!
    Set the rotating switch voltage selector on the back to the voltage of your socket (between 200V to 240V)
    Take a normal plug socket and connect the brown wire to live
    Connect the blue wire to neutral
    Connect the yellow green wire to earth
    Im not sure what fuse you will need but 5A should be fine. If it blows use a 10A

    All done!
     
  8. burricios69

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    Thanks for the answer! I didnt get it completely clear though... The yellow green wire has no end... I understand it is not 100% necessary, but advisable for security issues... Is it in this case VERY advisable?
    As well, how can i know, in a normal plug socket, which one is live and which one is neutral? I'm spanish and here the plugs are simetrical...
    Finally, you say i will need a fuse. Does that mean that i have to add a fuse between the plug and the oscope?
    Thank you!
     
  9. ISB123

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    Well blue(neutral), brown(hot) and stripped one is ground.You should buy standard euro plug and use it with plug, currently you are playing with your life if you plug it that way.Two holes in the socket are Hot and neutral, ground is two pins on the sides of the socket.
     
  10. flat5

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    Since the plug can be inserted two ways don't be too concerned about the blue & brown colors.
    Just make sure they go to the prongs and the striped one does not! It goes to ground.
     
  11. burricios69

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    Thank you all guys! I finally plugged it to the socket as you said, and it turned on. It's a bit worn-out though, as channel 1 has the scale completely wrong and every now and then i get weird things in the screen, but channel 2 works almost decent, the scale is still a bit wrong, and i get some weird things too... But anyway, its more than I expected, as it must have about 30 years and hasnt been used for a long.
    Thanks for your help again!
     
  12. flat5

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    You should buy an aerosol contact cleaner/lubricant from an electrical parts supplier.
    Clean the switches and variable resistors.
    Google how to use it.
    Avoid spraying plastic parts.
     
  13. burricios69

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    After playing a bit with the scope I noticed something weird. Im using it with a dsPIC mcu, and although i get to read voltages of 3.3V and 5V with an almost decent precission, when I attempt to read a square signal i get something like this:
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    Where the continuous line is the 0V, and the discontinuous one is more or less 3.3V (which is what I expected). Is this way of representing square signals normal in these old oscopes?

    Also, i have another issue:
    The MCU is powered through USB, which is connected to a PC. When I make a read through the oscope, i get the typicall windows sound that means an USB has been conected/disconnected. So I am thinking... is the oscope short-circuiting the mcu in some way?

    Thank you!

    P.D:
    I'll buy it as soon as I can, thanks for the recommendation. Every care I can give to it, i'll try to do it.
     
  14. RichardO

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    I think you have selected chop mode with a fast timebase setting. You are seeing the chopping frequency and the gaps in the trace are the blanked intervals. If you switch to alternate mode it will look like you expect.

    The grounds of both the PC and the scope are connected together through the safety ground wires in the power cords. The scope has the ground side of vertical inputs connected to the chassis which is safety ground. So, if you connect the scope ground to some point in your circuit that is not at the same potential as the PC ground it will short that point to ground.
     
  15. burricios69

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    The problem is that its when I connect the scope ground to my circuit's ground when i get the connected/disconnected sound in my PC. So do you know what could be happening here?
    Thanks
     
  16. burricios69

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    I've noticed the circuit doesnt get disconnected from the PC if I connect the scope's supply ground to either the circuit's ground or the plug socket's ground. I dont see much sense in connecting it to the circuit's ground, as that requires the circuit to be near the plug, but doing so i get more precise measures. However, if what i do is connecting the scope's supply ground to the socket's ground, the scope gets some weird measures, as instead of measuring 5V it measures about 0.5V, and even less when i attempt to measure 3.3V. Could this be because i am just connecting the supply's groung to the socket's ground by touching it with the ground wire?

    Also, shouldn't the ground in the circuit, and the ground in the PC (which is, i guess, the socket's ground) the same, as they are connected through USB and thats what powers the circuit?

    Thank you very much again, and sorry if I am making too much questions:(
     
  17. MrChips

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    Let's back up for a moment.

    Did you get a Euro wall plug and wire all three wires to the plug?
     
  18. burricios69

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    No, i just plugged the two bananas to the socket and left the ground unplugged, and that's what I've connected to circuit's ground (getting nice results) and, later, to the plug's ground (getting weird results).
    The problem with getting an Euro wall plug and using it is that the scope is not mine, so I don't want to cut the wire leaving the bananas out.
     
  19. MrChips

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    Then I would talk to the owner and explain what you are trying to do.

    Cutting away the banana plugs and installing a proper AC mains plug is your first objective.
     
  20. burricios69

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    Okey, the I'll just do that. I'll post again when that is done if I have any more issues.
    Thanks
     
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