Help on a small Project

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  1. RonnieSaha

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    Hello, this is my first "project" so please keep that in mind when answering my question's!:D

    Basically, I want to set up a circuit with an LED and Motor in. The details of which can be found below.

    The power supply is simply a 9v Battery which is connected to a switch. This is connected to an LED light with a forward voltage of 2.2v and current of 20mA. Connected to this is a propeller motor with a voltage of 3.7v and current of 100mA. By the way, the circuit is set up in series. My question's are as follows;

    1. What resistor will I need to have in the circuit with some explanation?
    (I have bought a pack of 1000+ different value resistors at 1/4W)

    2. What resistor would I need if I included another LED in the circuit?

    Thanks in advance!:)
     
  2. mcgyvr

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    You need to provide a resistor for the LED to limit the current it receives to 20mA..
    http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/led_resistor_calculator.php

    and the motor just needs a 3.7V power supply.. It will limit its own current vs the LED which will NOT.

    You cannot put it all in series..

    You could use an LM317 to create a 3.7V (or close) supply to the motor. (see the datasheet for the LM317 on how to size the required resistors for the desired output voltage.
     
  3. MaxHeadRoom

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    Is this intended to be a practical circuit with those parameters?
    Running a motor with a series resistor is not a good idea to start with.
    Max.
     
  4. RonnieSaha

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    Thanks for the replies.:)

    Just to clarify a motor does not require a resistor? (I ask this because without one it got hot)

    The aim of this circuit is just for fun because I am very much a novice when it comes to electronics! :D

    Would the circuit design that I have attached work if I put the LED in parallel and used a resistor for it. If so, what value would it need to be?
     
  5. MaxHeadRoom

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    Rather than put random components together, you need a little 'intelligent design'
    First a motor is not a constant load source, you will need to take this into consideration with any component placed in series with it.
    Max.
     
  6. sirch2

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    Sounds like you just need to ditch the 9V battery and go for 3*1.2V NiMH rechargeables which would run the motor nicely and then calculate the appropriate resistor for the LED.
     
  7. mcgyvr

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    With 9V running through a 3.7V motor it WILL get hot.. Motors put off some heat anyways but with more than double its rated voltage expect heat and a short life..
    Using 3 (or even 2) x 1.5V (AA) batteries would be a better solution.
    And you treat them like 2 independent circuits.. (the motor circuit then the LED circuit)..
    like this below..
    Hows thatfor some advertising... You owe me Subway..
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9726802/IMG_20140808_122320.jpg
     
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  8. djsfantasi

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    In the attached circuit, the LED and resistor may as well not be there. They are shorted out of the circuit by the wire in the middle.
     
  9. RonnieSaha

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    Thanks for the answer, simple but explained everything! :D I think I will use some AA batteries instead. Cheers:)
     
  10. Bernard

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    A little confusing, resistor not needed & with out gets hot?? If you still want to try your parts, first try putting 3 160 Ω in parallel, & put the combination in series with the motor & see how well that it runs. Can add 2 LEDs & 240 Ωs all in series across 9 V, or if you want to go back to origional proposal, put 160 Ωs in series with LED, add another R & LED in parallel, now add 3, 270 Ω all in parallel with LED group. Now add motor in series with the big combo. Draw it out , connect to battery & report findings.
     
  11. RonnieSaha

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    I have set the circuit up attached that was suggested. The reason why I used these resistors was that when in this circuit minus the motor branch, the LED worked perfectly. However, when I connected the Motor branch as shown in the diagram, the LED was very, very dim?:S

    How can I overcome this issue? :)


    EDIT: I realised that I needed a resistor on the motor branch and it all works now:p Thanks
     
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