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1. ### roboticvn Thread Starter Member

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In following circuit, I don't understand effects of resistors R6,R7,R8,R9,R10. Can you explain for me? How does this circuit work without these resistors? Thank you for help

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2. ### JoeJester AAC Fanatic!

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Have you looked at the datasheet for the LM311?

Where did you get this schematic?

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3. ### roboticvn Thread Starter Member

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I have read but the datasheet doesn't mention. I get this schematic in a video on youtube. Can you help me?

4. ### MrChips Moderator

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The comparator would not operate properly with R6-R10 removed.
Why would you want to remove these resistors?

5. ### JoeJester AAC Fanatic!

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1. What is the voltage at the junction of R6 and R7?
2. What is the voltage at the junction of R8 and R9?
3. View the schematic of the LM311 and tell me about the output circuitry?

6. ### roboticvn Thread Starter Member

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I think that R6 and R7 form the voltage divider. Vjunction=R7/(R6+R7)*Vcc. When V+>V-, Vout jump up to positive saturation approximate Vcc. When V+<V-, Vout from positive saturation to zero. However, i don't understand effect of Vjuntion. I know that a simplest comparator is only a op-amp. It can work without any resistors.

7. ### JoeJester AAC Fanatic!

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Look closely on how the LM311 is connected in the circuit you posted in post 1 ...

The resistors are there for a reason.

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Hello,

Have a look at the following thread:
DC Offset Issue

There is a VERY similar schematic where I introduced the mentioned resistors.

Bertus

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10. ### shteii01 AAC Fanatic!

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As far as I can tell the resistors form voltage dividers. The purpose of the voltage divider is to provide dc offset for the signals coming out of the TL chips. I notice capacitors between TL chips and LM311, I am guessing those are dc blocking capacitors. So the signals are coming out of TL chips, their dc offsets are removed by the dc blocking capacitors. You want to input those signals to LM311, but you also want to shift them because your LM311 only has one power supply. If you don't shift them up, the part of the signals below 0 volts will be blocked (lost in other words). So the voltage dividers provide the dc offset to the incoming signals, now the incoming signals have room to oscillate between 0 and 9 volts. It looks like voltage dividers divide the 9 volts into two halves. So the incoming signals will oscillate around the 4.5 volts.

Lets say for example that you have incoming signal that is 2 volt peak to peak. It oscillates around 0 volts, from -1 to +1 volts (+1-(-1)=+1+1=2 volts peak to peak). If you feed it straight to LM311 with rails at 0 volts and 9 volts, the part of the signal with voltages from 0 to 1 volt will show, the part of the signal from -1 to 0 volts will be lost because your lowest limit is 0 volts (your lowest rail), there is no room for anything smaller like -1 volts. So you introduce the dc offset of 4.5 volts by means of voltage divider. Now your incoming signal has been shifted up, it oscillates around 4.5 volts, from 3.5 to 5.5 volts (5.5-3.5=2 volts peak to peak).

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11. ### JoeJester AAC Fanatic!

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The reason I wanted to view the youtube video was to see whatever was presented. As it's written on the schematic, the audio will exceed the reference and not produce the proper full scale PWM. I would call this "over-modulated" but I see that the word "over-modulated" is not in the lexicon of digital schemes.

12. ### MrChips Moderator

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If you are attempting to transmit audio using a digital technique, this is the wrong approach.

13. ### JoeJester AAC Fanatic!

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I'm not doing anything. I wanted to view what the original you tube creator was attempting.

14. ### MrChips Moderator

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Not you, silly. I mean the OP, robotic.

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16. ### roboticvn Thread Starter Member

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Can you tell me what is this simulation software? Thank you^^

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17. ### JoeJester AAC Fanatic!

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I have to see the picture before attempting any guesses.

18. ### roboticvn Thread Starter Member

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Sorry, I reposted the image. I saw the image but I didn't know what software that is. I just know proteus and circuit maker. Can you show me?Thank you