furniture ?

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  1. Mathematics!

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    I am wondering how much of furniture and appliances are hand crafted or have all but almost no human intervention to create?

    Like for example wood tables , or sofa's , ovens , dryers , washers , tools ...etc
    Is there people that physically have to sew the leather on to the chair or is this all machine done.
    Similar with tables and other appliances...

    I have heard even that whole houses have been built mostly by machines.

    So is there any place I can go to on the web to view all the types of different machines used in consumer products.

    And who / what jobs allow you access to work with machines like these?
    as well as what jobs allow you to fix them or build them?


    In general do we have a general enough amount of machines out there to create any electronic / mechanical / chemical design we can in normally come up with/ want to mass produce. Or is there some times a need to design a totally new mass production machine... that engineers and tradesman must build to mass produce a product not in main stream.

    I would think if stuff is going to be mass produced in the case of furniture , appliances , tools ,...etc there must not be much human intervention to do this.... since human intervention would just slow down the mass production process in most cases.

    I know we talked about mass production pertaining to PCB and other components (which btw is pretty impressive to have those machines in there own right). But more general machine to do furniture , appliances and other things just seems mind blowing that we have these machines built and used?

    I would love to see mass production machines of all different types of products and how much human intervention is nessary in producing a fix quantity of final products....

    Though I have no clue who owns them, where they are located , and weather it would be possible to take a tour or see a video/pictures.

    Those machines in there own right seem more impressive then the fab machines.

    anybody know where all are consumer products come from/switch machines and how much human intervention is needed these days in create/mass produceing the products.
     
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  2. shortbus

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    Do you have internet access? Check out you tube for "The Science Channel" How its Made or How Do they Do It. Or National Geographic's, Ultimate Factories.

    You must have had a very sheltered life. Or are you ex-Amish?
     
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  3. maxpower097

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    Depends some still have semi hand manufacturing, and high end stuff is still hand made, but most stuff at ikea and wallmart is all robot done. What sickening is look at the lego factory in EU. It runs on like 2 people. You think how much money those things make with the games and everything and they employ like 2 people and hundreds of robots.
     
  4. Mathematics!

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    So then if it is all machine/robots
    Then what is the majority of the human population going to do for work?

    If we can almost build everything via robots then the only jobs would be the entertainment sector , and the research/design sector.

    And even thoughs seem like only a select amount of people the appealing and the smart.

    So essentially it seems if robots are doing all the building of things whats let for man to do other then research and have fun :)

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    Yes I have seen that... but it goes into a few particular machines not the complete all types of creating machines and where they are located/how they operate/what jobs or who is allowed to fix and use them?

    Thats pretty amazing are you just factoring in the production of products for the 2 people because if the finance / accounting , marketing ,...etc all other branches where incorporated they have to equal up to the thousands of employees.... So I guess another thing I am think about is where are the bulk of the jobs in a particular company if it is not the manufacturing/building of products?
     
  5. mcgyvr

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    There is a BIG difference between robots and machines.

    Id guess that ONLY .0000000001% of products made in the world are done 100% with robots (and that guess is probably way too high still)..

    Who do you think builds the robots/machines?
    Who do you think repairs the robots/machines when they break?
    Who do you think programs the robots to do what they do?

    In the grand scale of things at this time almost NOTHING can be made without human interaction.
    Humans will be required for a very long time still.
    But machines (not robots) are used to do just about everything now.. And people must run those machines.

    The world is FAR from flawless.. (stuff happens) and at this time robotic intelligence is not advanced enough to allow those "robots" to adapt.

    Not to mention people like to be different/unique.. And robots are only for "Low Mix/High Volume" applications versus "high mix/low volume". When we all start buying the same brown chair, wearing the same blue shirt and all buy a pink iphone robots will be used more.


    You do ask some weird/sheltered questions though.. Time to get out from behind the computer screen and join the rest of us in the world and actually experience life and learn from it.. .
     
  6. Mathematics!

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    In theory everything that anybody or any machine could do can be done in the mind. It is only in the building of whats in the mind that needs a team/workers to complete.

    one could ask the question could one human mind produce something greater or more then the whole human population could think of. Or is genisusness truely dead. And everything needs a teamwork even thought?

    And robots and machine are the same based on how you define them but ok machines.
    So then the majority of work is just building machines to do the work. So the next step is to build robot/machine to do even this efficient enough to minimize the human work / intervention. Then what next for are races?

    well yes it takes alot of workers to do this but how often do they break or need to be build new ones. Because the ability to make them last longer with not much breaking issues would be the ability to not have to work all that much only for certain periods and then a long time off type of job.
     
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  7. GetDeviceInfo

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    you could look at it from the other side as well. In the old days, one's man labour produced enough for himself, with a bit extra for the community. As time went on, that one mans' labour, leveraged by technology, grew substantially, where he was able to supply himself and many others. As technology grew, so did output, as did economy. Enjoyment of his income led to higher personal consumption which developed the service industry.

    Now for the big question, at what point do we hit saturation and the pyramid begins to crumble.

    Facebook valued at 104 billion, and that's only one man.
     
  8. maxpower097

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    This is the question thats bothered the middle class since the first computer came out. Really these robots just run people out of work. For some work that needs to be done with precision I'd say computers do it, but I imagine they will pass laws to keep people in work eventually. Also people may grow cold to technology and we may see a generation or era of anti technology.
     
  9. maxpower097

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    No just the factory! But still its a factory that should have 400 workers all reduced to a control room and line following robots. Its quite amazing. I understand they do create other jobs but they could be making more. For instance we just had a Lego Theme Park open locally in a small suberb out of the city. But as far as actual lego production, its all computers and robots. They had it on ultimate factories, or how its made.
     
  10. Mathematics!

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    so with this info
    as the population grows how will the monetary policy/way of doing things money wise.

    Support all the people in the US.

    I just see economics/finiance/accounting at this point being pointless.
    It would be only in the ideas , methods , and technquies of these subjects that matter and weather we can find another policy that works.

    In theory since most things are not made from humans how exactly is everybody, but the most elite minds/or the small majority of people that posses something that people need going to survive?

    At this point it would be better to just go into something that will always be needed like food/ (farming) , medical (curing) , entertainment ( porn,sex, acting, comedy)

    Sad to say

    the only other thing is research/inventing that seems like it will never die since proofs and new creative ideas always come out regardless of the time (and new ideas have the ability to wipe out jobs completely or create to many ). But the point here is only very few people posses the intelligence or creativity to come up with something new that could be great or useful as time goes on as more people will entire the earth less work from human intervention will be need, and the live expectance will increase. So how will money work then.

    Even if somebody wants to work or knows he has to work doesn't guarentee him that he can work and earn a living.
    Does anybody see a problem with this? ( you want a world where you have freedom but then you try to control it with money and you want everybody to work and you look down on the lazy bums but if they wanted to work or was good at something you couldn't guarentee them the ability to work and earn money) So **** it if the government wants to control everything they should pay for everything

    Maybe someday the problem will be fix with food free , medical free , and shelter free but with this the only people that would work are the people that require more then this

    freedom no its just degrees of freedom and as time goes on there maybe no true meaning of freedom
     
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  11. strantor

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    Mathematics!, your way of speaking is half way to loosewire's. I don't follow everything you are saying, but I *think* that you are envisioning a world where everything is done by robots and people don't have to work anymore. Sure, I think that's coming, but it's not going to be a life of leisure. These people won't be lounging around while robots get in the car and drive off to work to put food on the table. They will be out on the streets, wishing for a job. This is a moral quandary for me. I see big problems with this trend of more and more automation; less and less human handiwork. I think that if all the robots and all the machines that do jobs that humans are capable of, were fired today, unemployment would disappear and wages would double overnight. My job is fixing these machines, keeping them in service to keep humans out of service. I try not to think about that, because I enjoy the work itself. I aspire to be an engineer; I am going to college to learn the skills to design machines - machines that will replace humans. I choose this profession because it appeals to me and because I want to be in a field that can't be replaced by machines and I want to ensure I can feed my family.
     
  12. maxpower097

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    How will we survive when our jobs are going to computers. We will adapt. The powers that be know they can't let the middle class fail. If the middle class fails nationwide or worldwide gov overthrow will happen in less then 1 year. Our entire country is armed and if their is a revolt against the 1% the military isn't gonna be in that 1%. So since they are educated and can pretty much guess what happens next by historical standards they will play ball and forfiet much of their assets.

    But the main problem was we used to pay high taxes like a pyramid scheme where the top 1% paid 90%-70% in taxes. This build our interstates, SS, bridges, put us on the moon, etc.. Then in the late 70s and 80's they decided rather then tax incredibly rich people incredibly high, they would give the super rich tax breaks to re-invest into the US. Well they got the tax breaks and ASAP moved all their money offshore and exported most of our jobs to countries that pay pennies on the dollar. And our gov paid them to do it. Once this is reversed with enormous taxes on items from China and asia, That will create more jobs in S. America and N. America.
     
  13. Mathematics!

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    But essentially if there is not going to be enough jobs around for everybody then essentially the workers must not complane about paying some bums living. Since essentially he doesn't have the ability or oppertunity to work.

    WTF

    I honestly believe people that steal money from corp's / most public business deserve it because they are essential just trying to control the way the world is. By controlling the cash flow or control the bulk of the money.

    It may come a time where it would be an easier life still to go out into the wilderness and just live out there , hunt/cook your own meals and forget all the US laws and horse ****.
     
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  14. loosewire

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    You can ride around late at night,on a ratio basis you won't see too many

    people on the streets,I'm talking about homeless.You will always have the

    night crowd that hangs out,but you can't call all them homeless. I have seen

    a few of the same people living on the streets for 20 +years. They have routine

    starting with there government check coming to a post office box. Most people

    could not make that work. They still do mass housing,check out the boom in

    North Dakota. Quick housing is called mobile homes. They recently found a body

    behind a bank,the person had been living in a bush with card board. After they

    knock down all the houses ,remember cash for old cars that had to be crushed.

    Now it knock down houses,so when they are ready to build again it will be small

    rental apartments. Some of you guys are to young to remember that you waited

    a long time to own a house .You don't have to remember,that will be the norm

    now.
     
  15. loosewire

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    The rule making process is at work today,alot of jobs. Remodeling is where the

    money is today. The same rules and people are working and making the money.

    There are a few short cuts,but there are plenty of inspector jobs being done by

    the book. Design,contractor,subcontractors kitchens and bathes,green windows

    and doors. Green appliances,all of this has a few government rebates to get

    people to start the projects.A contractor can have alot of projects in the pipeline.

    Once you sign that contract,there are so many delay clauses that are enforcable

    on there side. I have heard of people with money spending thousands in court

    against a contractor,just to lose because of the contract.The contract is one of

    the most powerful things you can sign.You do it every day,your phone..you don't

    tell them how long you want it,they give you a choice of 2 years,you take it.Another

    phone company will honor there credit report on you if you back out of plan.

    Anything you sign is a contract and most professionals you engage..just to speak

    with one is an enforceable oral contract...they can bill you for a conversation,

    for like a change order,you are not going to ask,they are not going to tell you.
     
  16. Mathematics!

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    well, I hear what your saying

    But if it was a contract that I wasn't fully aware of or they tried to get me to honor it in a sleezy way.

    I would say good luck to them if they think they will get anything from me.

    I would rather go to jail , take my money out of the bank and all places other people would have access to it (i.e hide it the interest rate in bank **** any way) and then be torchered before I would give anything up.
    Some times its the principle behind something that matters.

    And I believe if the person signs something he/she should fully be aware that this is what they totally want it should be a mutual agreement on both ends. I would love to see the government or anybody else try some sleezy **** out on me they won't get anything I guarentee it if it is a large enough magnitude for me to care about (or a magnitude that a eventually see as becoming major).

    Now if both parties mutually agree on something (while fully understand all its ramifications) and it is document in writting under most cases I believe that should be honored that which was agreed upon.
     
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  17. strantor

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    Case in point.
     
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  18. loosewire

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    They would have no problem putting you in jail now a days,its called

    contemp of court with no bond. Until you are ready to comply with the

    judge.
     
  19. loosewire

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    Say you you bond a project to be completed on certain date,If the

    project is not finished on time,you have to prove to the bonding

    company your point,they don't just write you a check..its just a contract

    between 3 parties that has to be worked out,the bonding company

    can agree that rain delays don't prove your claim,No payment.

    Bonding and bonding insurance is just a high tech credit report done

    by a high tech underwriter that works for the insurance company

    that own's the bonding company to collect extra fee's from you.

    Check it out.
     
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  20. loosewire

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    Bonding is done on the theory that there will not be a loss,based on

    there underwriters opinion of past preformance.
     
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