finding op-amps without phase inversion/latch up

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sravet

Joined Oct 8, 2010
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In another thread I found a link to a precision full rectifier using single supply opamps with out needing any diodes.

http://www.edn.com/contents/images/6250014.pdf

As noted in the article, the circuit relies on having an op-amp that doesn't latch up when the input goes negative, dropping below the ground rail.

Those op-amps are $3-$4 in single quantities, are there any other op-amps to choose from that are protected from phase inversion?

I am using this circuit to rectify a line level audio signal, with the rectified signal being sampled by an ADC to eventually result in a VU meter type display.

thanks for any suggestions,
--steve
 

Audioguru

Joined Dec 20, 2007
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Something is wrong with that circuit.
The input goes to plus 5V and -5V then the two 1k resistors in series cuts the voltage to the input of the opamp in half.
The max allowed negative input voltage of the Cmos opamp used is only -0.3V which is the same as an ordinary old LM324 quad or LM358 dual opamp but the circuit is giving the first opamp peaks that go to -2.5V which might destroy it.
 

Thread Starter

sravet

Joined Oct 8, 2010
2
Something is wrong with that circuit.
The input goes to plus 5V and -5V then the two 1k resistors in series cuts the voltage to the input of the opamp in half.
The max allowed negative input voltage of the Cmos opamp used is only -0.3V which is the same as an ordinary old LM324 quad or LM358 dual opamp but the circuit is giving the first opamp peaks that go to -2.5V which might destroy it.
In the datasheet for the opamp it says as long as the input current is limited to 5ma then the device is protected and phase inversion won't occur. Figure 2 shows a +/- 7 volt input applied with a supply voltage of +3V

http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LMC6482.pdf

--steve
 

DonQ

Joined May 6, 2009
321
Rather than depending on the internal protection diodes of the amplifier (and other bad design decisions), it makes more sense to just use a proper circuit where you include your own diodes. If properly designed, the voltage drop of the diode is not applied to the signal. This makes amplifier selection a trivial problem.

See:
http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-20.pdf#page=10

(The link seems to not take everyone to page 10, figure 25, so go there manually)

Don't use the amps they suggest. This was first published in the 1969! and it's been working since then in a wide variety of incarnations. Any reasonable amp will work, and you can DC couple it if you need.
 
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marshallf3

Joined Jul 26, 2010
2,358
Good advice, internal protection diodes are not really meant to be used on a constant basis, they're basically there for accidental situations.
 
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