Estimation Skills - Question 2

What is the average value of a pickup truck load of mixed sheet metal - from a scrap metal yard mgr

  • 0 - $10

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • $10 - $30

    Votes: 6 24.0%
  • $30 - $100

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • $100 - $300

    Votes: 10 40.0%
  • $300 - $1000

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .

Thread Starter

GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
8,009
I can't imagine a head gasket leak into the intake valve cavity, but maybe some engines have the entire intake plenum attached where a gasket leak could put coolant into the air stream. I don't have one of those, but HP seems to be talking about that scenario. Have you ever seen an engine designed that way?
The longer I think about it, I could see that a leak on the lower head gasket (gasket to block) could leak and fill the oil pan to lock the engine if allowed to sit a while before starting. Likewise, the stopped engine could allow coolant to enter the cylinder and cause a hydraulic lock on starting. In either case, I doubt the starter motor would be strong enough to break a connecting rod or bend a crankshaft.

The only story I've ever heard about water and bent motor parts are a boat flipping upside down with the engine running at a good clip. That was an unvalidated rumor. I never saw the boat run again but I also never heard an official diagnosis from the owner.
 
I've never heard of that happening. I believe it is impossible for a leaky gasket to dump water faster than a running engine can pump it out the exhaust pipe.
Any head gasket leak will leak from region of high pressure to low pressure - (I.e. bubbling exhaust gasses through the coolant and causing overheating and dilution of the cooling system. First symptom is a full (and overflowing) antifreeze overflow bottle).
I can't imagine a head gasket leak into the intake valve cavity, but maybe some engines have the entire intake plenum attached where a gasket leak could put coolant into the air stream. I don't have one of those, but HP seems to be talking about that scenario. Have you ever seen an engine designed that way?
The longer I think about it, I could see that a leak on the lower head gasket (gasket to block) could leak and fill the oil pan to lock the engine if allowed to sit a while before starting. Likewise, the stopped engine could allow coolant to enter the cylinder and cause a hydraulic lock on starting. In either case, I doubt the starter motor would be strong enough to break a connecting rod or bend a crankshaft.

The only story I've ever heard about water and bent motor parts are a boat flipping upside down with the engine running at a good clip. That was an unvalidated rumor. I never saw the boat run again but I also never heard an official diagnosis from the owner.
I see what you mean!:confused: -- Thus it seems the mode of damage I'm thinking of (i.e. that secondary to hydro-locking a running engine) would result from catastrophic intake manifold or plenum gasket failure?

Best regards
HP:)
 

Thread Starter

GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
8,009
I see what you mean!:confused: -- Thus it seems the mode of damage I'm thinking of (i.e. that secondary to hydro-locking a running engine) would result from catastrophic intake manifold or plenum gasket failure?

Best regards
HP:)
Wikipedia says mostly happens from water entering the airbox (driving through a flood) or on boat engines. The last section about steam engines is interesting too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolock
 
It took me until tomorrow to think about this...but I believe you're right.
I'd rather be married to reality than any woman I ever met, even if the cost is the absence of a mistress.
It moves my stress anchor to a very low value.:)
FWIW My interpretation of the proverb has always ≈ "If reality is to be 'on your side' it must be your 'One And Only'":D

Best regards
HP:)
 

tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
2,867
That beats my best time by 3&1/2 hours!
I got a buddy of mine that's been working on a Chrysler slant six pull, overhaul and remount for at least 12 years now so your 3 1/2 hours looks blazing fast in comparison.

I think his pull time was just over year and the rebuild is at 10 plus now since the first head bolt came out. :rolleyes: I'm figuring another 3 -5 and he might have the car up to being able to move on its own again assuming the whole drive train and suspension has not rusted solid by now.
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
18,224
lol
My best was about 1.5hrs on 88 Cherokee 4.0l inline 6
I never pulled an engine out of a car . I always did vans where you start with the headlights and the center console or an Aerostar where you build a giant frame and lift the car off the engine.:eek:
That's my excuse, anyway.:oops:

ps, I got the parts in to fix the water leak in the Ford Explorer today.:)
 
I got a buddy of mine that's been working on a Chrysler slant six pull, overhaul and remount for at least 12 years now so your 3 1/2 hours looks blazing fast in comparison.

I think his pull time was just over year and the rebuild is at 10 plus now since the first head bolt came out. :rolleyes: I'm figuring another 3 -5 and he might have the car up to being able to move on its own again assuming the whole drive train and suspension has not rusted solid by now.
I can relate! -- I've a few 'perpetual projects' myself:oops::rolleyes::D

Best regards
HP
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
18,224
I got a buddy of mine that's been working on a Chrysler slant six pull, overhaul and remount for at least 12 years now
I've a few 'perpetual projects' myself
I call those, "Bin Gonnas".
If I have been gonna fix that for three years or more, it's time I admit I'm not really interested, so it should leave and clear out the space it was taking up.
 

#12

Joined Nov 30, 2010
18,224
I just took the monster car to fill the gas tank. Apparently this is a very hungry car. It says 82% of my oil life is remaining after 2.7 miles to the gas station and back, and I have 40.3 miles left in the 22 gallon gas tank, 1.35 miles after a fill-up. That's an oil change every 15 miles and 1.89 M.P.G. Either I'm going to be very busy changing the oil or this thing needs more microprocessors installed in it.:D

So I checked the ceiling pod to see how I'm going to fasten it back to the ceiling and the whole courtesy light section fell out in the floor.:eek:
Every plastic screw receiver in it fractured.:mad:
Time to rethink the ceiling pod. Nothing in it works except the fan control for the rear air conditioning, and that only works because I fixed it.
How to make the ceiling hole look less awful and keep the fan switch attached?
Fuss, stomp, cuss. More fractured plastic and more faulty microprocessors than I can keep up with!
 
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