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  1. Georacer

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    This is an excerpt from the ToS.

    I want to ask on the use of the verb "deem" within phrases.
     
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  2. Wendy

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    deem = Feel, of the opinion
     
  3. Georacer

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    Yes, but how is it used in a phrase? As in, example.
     
  4. MrChips

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    Having heard all the opinions on both sides of this debate, the committee has deemed it prudent to curtail further discussion on this matter.
     
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  5. loosewire

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    MrChips ,tell him about toastmasters and see if he can find a meeting.
     
  6. Georacer

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    I 'd like to express myself on grammar terms, but I 've long forgotten my lessons and currently I 'm an experience user of the language.

    I always see the verb being used in the pattern: subject-has deemed it-adjective.
    Are there other structures and uses available?
     
  7. loosewire

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    @ Geo, Do you have toastmasters in Greece its a speakers org.
     
  8. MrChips

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    I suppose that is the typical usage, as in:

    I deem it necessary to take remedial action

    as in:

    I consider it necessary to ...
     
  9. MrChips

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    It is not the purpose of Toastmasters to improve language.

    The purpose of Toastmasters is to build self confidence in public speaking and to develop skills in leadership.
     
  10. Georacer

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    I know people in Greece that take part in rhetorics competitions. But this is an English language question and I turn to English speaking people for answers.

    So shall I take it that no other uses of "deem" exist?
     
  11. MrChips

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    I cannot think of other common usage beyond the two cases:

    I deem it __ to...

    replace __ with necessary, essential, appropriate, prudent, wise, foolish, insane, risky, safe

    or not __

    or at the end of a sentence

    ... as they deem ___.
     
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  12. t_n_k

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    The Oxford English Dictionary http://www.oed.com has a comprehensive treatment of the word.
     
  13. Georacer

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    @ t_n_k,

    It seems I cannot access the search engine of the site, as it needs a subscription (reasonably).

    Am I missing something?
     
  14. MrChips

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    It is deemed obligatory to read the HD44780 controller datasheet before posting a question on interfacing to an LCD character module.
     
  15. tracecom

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    One of the most interesting points about the verb "deem" is that it can be considered transitive or intransitive.

    Transitive Example ("deem" as in "consider")
    The auditor deemed it necessary to declare the firm insolvent.

    Intransitive Example ("deem" as in "believe")
    I deem the historical record to be correct.

    It's a minor differentiation.
     
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  16. Georacer

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    Ah! So it can be used in both forms! That's what I was looking for.

    I believe I used it once as intransitive in a PM with an American and gut a strange look.
     
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    You may deem it so.
     
  18. JoeJester

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    I believe in the sentence illustrated by Georacer, deem would be the transitive verb, one with a directly related object, to job of moderating.

    We ask the moderators to be the judge of every post with respect to the terms of service or user agreement and take appropriate action when the posting falls astray of the TOS or user agreement.

    Now if I report a posting, I deemed it for whatever reason I stated. Mine is an opinion as I have no ability to execute an official action.
     
  19. DerStrom8

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    Oops, Geo, I responded on your other thread because I hadn't seen this one yet :p
     
  20. GopherT

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    It depends on the part of the US it is used. It is a softer, "I believe" in Southern states (to preface an opinion with the assumption that others may disagere) and more commonly used. In the Midwest, US, it is used more as a preface for a conclusive judgement. As in, "I deem the action to be unfair." "I deem the threat to be real". In the Midwest, the speaker is definately not interested in additional opinions.
     
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