Do you believe in Free Will?

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Do you belive in free will?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Lightfire

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    http://phys.org/news186830615.html

    "...Cashmore, Professor of Biology at the
    University of Pennsylvania
    , says that many biologists today still cling to the idea of free will, and reject the idea that we are simply conscious machines, completely controlled by a combination of our chemistry and external environmental forces."

    "...Cashmore, Professor of Biology at the
    University of Pennsylvania
    , says that many biologists today still cling to the idea of free will, and reject the idea that we are simply conscious machines, completely controlled by a combination of our chemistry and external environmental forces."

    "...Vitalism was discarded more than 100 years ago, being replaced with evidence that biological systems obey the laws of chemistry and physics, not special biological laws for living things."

    “I would like to convince biologists that a belief in free will is nothing other than a continuing belief in vitalism (or, as I say, a belief in magic),” Cashmore told


    My question:

    1) Do you believe in Free Will?

    2) Are there really random? If so, what is cause-and-effect?

    3) Is the event of scientists arguing this kind of stuff been predetermined before?

    Thanks!~
     
  2. Dr.killjoy

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    Yes
    I do things completey at random and no one person can really ever predict what I am going to say or do .. So because of this I have had to learn to read people very well in order to understand how they will react and most people are completely predictable..
    Scientist argue don't matter what in order to prove they are right and you are wrong ,so in the end it's whatever you believe because science changes all the time ..
    I believe some things happen for a reason and have seen it first hand and others are made when you make a decision wither good or bad
     
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  4. nsaspook

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    Yes, 'Free Will' is magic but so is 'Quantum Mechanics' and nondeterministic Chaos. We don't know why it works the way it does but it exists. After the fact we can trace back the finest details of the cause of an event but this is useless to actually predict the future from those finest details as we can only have probabilities of future results at the atomic and human scale.
    http://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/teaching/astr320/lecture21.pdf

     
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  5. Wendy

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    We are how we are born to be, but how we handle it is a result of long thought and personal decisions. Everyone chooses a personal code of honor, though they may not think of it as such. Some folks are much looser than others, it can even simply be "It's all about me!".
     
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  6. killivolt

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    If by this definition "Yes" Free Will

    But, when I practice it the turn out can be costly:p My father has bent my nose on several occasions for having it.
     
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  7. Lightfire

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    And so what is psychology? I mean it is the understanding of the human mind? But psychology can't predict the exact happenings in someone's brain, right?
     
  8. nsaspook

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    And so what is psychology?

    Ask an expert:
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  9. Metalmann

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    Psychology is another pseudoscience, much like religion.

    Yes, I believe and practice Free Will.....and so should everyone else.;)

    Free Will and Free Speech, is as American as it gets.

    If you can't talk about something, you have something to hide.

    Like politicians, preachers, popes, etc.

    Bedazzle them with BS, and they will do whatever you say.

    Like the BS of such a thing as a, "War on Terror" "War on Drugs", "War on Poverty", etc....


    ALL Bullshit. ALL the time.:D
     
  10. Lightfire

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    Pseudoscience? OK.......... I understand....

    But why there is still APA? DSM??

    Ok... But sometimes psychology works or is this coincidence??

    Ok.. would that mean that the universe is MORE THAN cause-and-effect? If so, how can we trace back our origins? It's , at least in my current not-so intelligent mind, very hard to predict what the past may be without cause and effect?
     
  11. Lightfire

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    What?:D

    Do you mean If you can't talk about certain something, then you may be hiding something??

    What is politicans, preachers, peopes??? Impress them with bullshit? How do you do that?
     
  12. nsaspook

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    At $100 an hour it better work.

    A Psychology degree is just one step above a college athletes 'Kinesiology' degree.
     
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  13. Metalmann

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    "Do you mean If you can't talk about certain something, then you may be hiding something??"



    Not what I said.

    Ever ask a politician a question?

    They give answers that please you.

    They are guilty of omission.
     
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  14. Lightfire

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    Ok.. would that mean that the universe is MORE THAN cause-and-effect? If so, how can we trace back our origins? It's , at least in my current not-so intelligent mind, very hard to predict what the past may be without cause and effect?

    should be rephrased as

    Ok.. would that mean that the universe is MORE THAN cause-and-effect? If so, how can we trace back our origins? It's , at least in my current not-so intelligent mind, very hard to predict what the past may be if it's more than cause and effect??

    thnx
     
  15. Wendy

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    Quantum Physics deals in probabilities. By itself this implies Free Will to my mind. It is possible every real choice we make is represented somewhere, but when I look back on my life I have had to make key decisions that took me down a path that I couldn't retrace later.
     
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    If someone else exactly like you would had lived your exact same life, would he be in the exact place as you?

    If you think he would, then there is no free will.
     
  17. DerStrom8

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    I fear if I were to answer this, someone might misunderstand and take this onto a religious tangent :p

    Simply put, I think everyone has free will, for sure. They make their own choices and deal with the consequences. But that doesn't change my opinion that you still have a purpose in life, that you are "destined", so to speak, to achieve certain things before you die. I believe everything happens for a reason, and that nobody's lives or choices are pointless in any way.
     
  18. loosewire

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    Loosewire , will use his free will to meet Brownout a professional by all means of

    discussion. So where does that leave Loosewire....with free will to do what he likes.

    So do you think Loosewire has free will.
     
  19. tcmtech

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    Well if Loosewire is going to meet brownout on purpose that would imply that perhaps Loosewire is seriously misinformed about what he is going to find when he gets there. :p

    In this case curiosity may be pulling the two together but advice from others whom have gone before would suggest using free will to counter that influence that curiosity is exerting and suggest to run the other way. ;)
     
  20. Lightfire

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    Would that require also same time? I assume you only mean same event, same material things,? But how about time????? Two event cannot occur at the very same place at the very same time, IMpermeability...

    Or does time effect at all or not at all?
     
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