Divide power using triac ; formula ; calculation

Discussion in 'Embedded Systems and Microcontrollers' started by Vindhyachal Takniki, Dec 15, 2014.

  1. Vindhyachal Takniki

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    1. I am using a pure resistive load & have to divide output power by using triac. Ckt has 220V ac

    2. I have a zero crossing detector output signal at every zero so I get two signal in once complete cycle.

    3. User can select 0.0 – 1.0 value & according to that I have to output the power .
    e.g if user have selected 0.5 then I have to output half power during 0-180 phase of ac signal.

    4. I have some calculation on when to turn on triac which i have attached.

    5. Plz check if I doing it right.

    6. If I am doing it right, currently I am calculating angle by hit & trial. But I have to do it in MCU, I don't know how to calculate it otherwise because formula contain arithmetic & trigonometry function as in attached .
     
  2. JWHassler

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    The output power will be proportional to the integral of the voltage, so the shape of the output is cos(t).
    If the triac is triggered at t=0, the power will be maximum. If triggered at just short of ∏ radians, the power will be zero
    I think a lookup table would do fine for what you show, a resolution 10% of full-power
     
  3. JWHassler

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    ..... except that power is proportional voltage squared: d'oh.
    An analytic solution is now somewhat harder, yes sir, but a lookup table is still doable.
    Graph the function (cos(α)/2 +.5)^2 in the region [π:0] to get power-fraction vs cycle-fraction
     
  4. JWHassler

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    ... and then the analytic solution pops right out! (I think)
    power_fraction = ( arccos(sqrt(cycle_fraction)) ^ 2)/π
     
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  6. Vindhyachal Takniki

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    1. I have attached a file, in which it is explained how to do phase control.
    2. First one is equal phase division. Which I have done correctly.
    3. Second is equal power division. this is what I am trying to achieve, its calculation I had described in post#1.
    I want to know if I am doing it correctly.


    @JWHassler: How do you have calculated the formula? Is my method wrong?

    @ErnieM: Figure AN1003.4 in app note have this method I guess. Do my calculations are ok??
     
  7. JWHassler

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    @JWHassler: How do you have calculated the formula? Is my method wrong?
    I'm not sure mine is right.
    Here is a graph of your results, though:
    upload_2014-12-17_8-32-49.png

    Looks quite like the curve in the Littelfuse app-note cited above (except reversed, showing start-time instead of conduction-angle.)
    Excel is helpful in these things
     
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