# Designing first order Butterworth low pass filter

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1. ### naspek Thread Starter Member

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Hey there.. This is my homework..
i really need someone who can check whether i'm doing
it right or not.. =)

Question:
Design a first order Butterworth low pass filter with cut-off frequency fo = 20 kHz and the gain K = 1

fo = 20kHz
K = 1

When K = 1, we can ignore R1 and Rf
formula :
ωo = 1/RC
2∏fo = 1/RC

Set R = 1kΩ

2∏fo = 1 / (1000) C
C = 1 /
(1000)(2∏fo)
C = 7.96nF

Ω ; C = 7.96nF

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3. ### naspek Thread Starter Member

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ok! done with the first part..
now is the complete question..

Design a first order Butterworth low pass filter with cut-off frequency fo = 20 kHz and the gain K = 1. You will need to simulate the circuit using Multisim and shows that the circuit meet the required specification.

(DONE!)

ii)Show the circuit schematic with all the resistor and capacitor values labelled.(attachment)

iii)Perform frequency response analysis on the circuit and obtain the bode diagram. The bode diagram should show the voltage gain (Vout / Vin) in dB vs the signal frequency (0 to 100 MHz). Does the -3dB cut-off frequency match the desired cut-off frequency fo = 20 kHz ? Explain. From the graph, estimate the roll-off rate. (attachment)

I inserted my schematics and graph.. am i right?

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4. ### Audioguru New Member

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The opamp has nothing to do with the simple RC filter.

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what do u mean?

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The simple first-order lowpass filter is just the resistor and capacitor. It must have a fairly high resistance load. An opamp has a very high input resistance and can be used as an output buffer if needed to drive a fairly low resistance.

A second-order Butterworth filter must have an active amplifier like a transistor or opamp.

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7. ### naspek Thread Starter Member

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ok... should i add RL in my circuit?
other than this problem, my circuit is correct?

8. ### Audioguru New Member

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The Rl in your circuit is whatever the opamp is driving. The load of your RC lowpass filter is the extremely high input resistance of the opamp.

Your circuit is correct. It is an RC lowpass filter with an opamp buffering its output.

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ok.. so.. the value for RL , can i choose it randomly
or, there is formula to get the perfect value for RL?

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The value of Rl in your circuit has nothing to do with the simple RC lowpass filter. It is the value of the resistance that the opamp is able to drive.

There is no perfect value for Rl of an opamp. It is 2k ohms or more for ordinary opamps.

11. ### naspek Thread Starter Member

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is my answer is wrong, if i didn't include the load resistor?

12. ### Audioguru New Member

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It is phoney baloney school work, not a real circuit.
Nobody knows what is the value of the load. It could be anything.
The quiz should have listed the load resistance if it is important to the calculations of whether the circuit will work or not.

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13. ### naspek Thread Starter Member

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so.. i can ignore the RL right?

14. ### Audioguru New Member

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Your schematic does not have an RL so it doesn't matter. The opamp is not needed.

15. ### naspek Thread Starter Member

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so my schematics is correct?
what about my graph? i use AC Analysis to plot my graph..

16. ### Audioguru New Member

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You zipped the file instead of posting the schematic and graphs. I don't want to unzip it again so I don't know if your schematic is correct.

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18. ### naspek Thread Starter Member

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the above, is my schematic and graphs.. =)
really hope you can guide me solving my problem.. =)

19. ### Audioguru New Member

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Your schematic shows an opamp without a power supply so it won't work.
I don't know what you are asking about it because it is extremely simple.

20. ### naspek Thread Starter Member

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where should i placed the power supply?
i thought V1 is my power supply..