DC DC boost converter design

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  1. S_adnan

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    I am making a Wind turbine power plant prototype for my project work

    My generator is DC.actually its DC motor but it can be used as gen.1900 rpm rated with 24V and 2.5 A current.Problem is not all time wind gives enough rpm.But the charge controller i am using takes 24V constant to charge lead acid battery.so i need a DC DC booster.i will control the pulse width via micro controller.

    My basic design is attached here.

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    using this equ i took min l value. i used min load current 2A and D i used when the worst case voltage is found as i got 7V and have to boost to 24V.

    C=D/(2*f*R) here R is the load.

    My problems are

    1.while simulation i saw output voltage is dependent on L value.for safety i used 980uH that's greater than min L value and D=0.5 always.I saw it can perfectly boost 7 to 24 but while if 24V is given it gives 53V instead of 48V.

    2.Output is very much depended on R value.If i use R=100 ohm it gives good result.But if i use R=500 ohm it cant even boost 7V to 14V for D=0.5,instead it gives 11V.

    3.In lab i used this circuit to test but the IRF840 cant switch in 40K.whats the problem?

    4.I burned 2 IRF840 though i used protection diode.but in lab source i used only 10V and 2A current.why IRF840 burns?

    that's a lengthy post.But please someone help me.
     
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  2. Jony130

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    Well I think its impassible to do in this circuit.
    First of all for Vin_min = 7V and Vout = 24V you need
    D = (24 - 7)/24 = 0.7 = 70%.
    And for I_out=2A you need more then I_in = I_out / (1 - D) = 6.8A input current
     
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  3. S_adnan

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    Thanks.

    can u tell whether this circuit will give 2.5A even in 7V?or should i check this thing?

    If i suppose 2.5A current regardless voltage value than i can insert min load current 0.73A according this equ. and if i select L value using this min I then will it work.However simulation is ideal.why this circuit don't work even in simulation(i used proteus and pspice)?

    what should i do?please give some suggestion.

    Thanks
     
  4. Jony130

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    For Vin = 7V and Io = 0.7A ---> L = 133uH --> D ≈ 70% for CCM for F=40KHz
    And you need some IC which will be decrease the duty cycle if Vin rising
    http://schmidt-walter.eit.h-da.de/smps_e/aww_smps_e.html

    PS. And if you put this numbers in to the simulation it will work quite well
     
  5. Jony130

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    You should check it first.
     
  6. S_adnan

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    this is really a good site for calculation.

    I checked my design suggested by this site L value.only i added a load of R=100 ohm unless it the circuit becomes unstable as its open ckt voltage continues to rise.

    Check the attachments.still is standing on the failure edge.sorry to disturb again.but its really bothering me.

    Thanks again
     
  7. Jony130

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    You must change your duty cycle in simulation to get correct result.
    And in this site calculator you enter 5V for Vin_min
     
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  8. SgtWookie

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    Why are you using an IRF840 500v MOSFET when you only need one rated for Vdss=30v? You're paying a penalty of high gate charge (65nC) and high Rds(on) (0.85 Ohms). You could use a MOSFET with a much lower Vdss rating, and in return you will have a much lower Rds(on), higher Id, and Qg; easily improving ratings by an order of magnitude.

    You're trying to drive the gate using an optocoupler. Your gate charge/discharge times will be VERY long, so your MOSFET will spend most of it's brief life in linear mode where it is dissipating power as heat. That is, right before the smoke makes a hasty exit.

    You need to improve your gate drive. There are dedicated gate optodrivers, but you need to have enough voltage to run them in the first place. If you don't absolutely have to have optoisolators, there are dedicated gate driver ICs which will improve switching times enormously. If you're planning on switching at speeds over a few kHz, you'll need something like that.
     
  9. S_adnan

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    It works jony130 with some problem.

    first is load value prob.Why is this strange load dependency?
    see the attachment 1&2(done with)

    Second is the L value that determined for 7-24V is same as 10-24V as expected but the duty cycle shown in figure for 7-24V simulate perfect res while the duty cycle for 10-24v doesn't.

    other value also doesn't work.why is this?

    Thanks
     
  10. S_adnan

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    Thanks Sgtwookie for advise \
    What should i use for gate Drive? YOU SAID " There are dedicated gate optodrivers, but you need to have enough voltage to run them in the first place." but i want to run this via microcontroller.so there's no scope of enough voltage facility.

    Can u propose some gate driver ICs for high speed switching?

    Thanks for MOSFET problem.Pls suggest some other MOSFET that i can use.I live in Bangladesh so here's not all MOSFET are available.so give 2/3 specimen of ur MOSFET suggestion
     
  11. S_adnan

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    Thanks

    draft4.asc which soft will open this?I have also posted another reply.please comment on that.

    Thanks again
     
  12. S_adnan

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    Thanks again

    How i open this draft4.asc?By which software?

    I have posted a reply.please comment on that.
     
  13. Jony130

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  15. SgtWookie

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    Here are some; you'll have to figure out what you can get locally. Since I'm in the States, I can find multiple suppliers for any of these.

    I don't know if MicroChip Direct ships to Bangladesh, but if they do, they carry a number of different gate driver IC's.

    FAN3121,FAN3122 - Single 9A High Speed Low Side Gate Driver
    FOD3120 - 2.5A Optoisolator Gate Driver
    FOD3150 - 1A Optocoupler Gate Driver
    FOD3180 - 2A Output Optocoupler Gate Driver
    HCNW-3120-000E - OPTOCOUPLER, 2.5A, GATE DRIVE I-O
    HCPL-3120, HCNW3120 - 2.5A Output Current IGBT Gate Drive Optocoupler
    ICL7667 - Dual Power MOSFET Driver
    IR2101, IR2102 - High and Low Side Driver (see IRS2101, IRS2102)
    IR2110 - High and low side driver
    IR2301 - High and Low Side Driver
    IR4426, IR4227, IR4228 - Dual Low-Side Driver
    L6387E - HV Hi-Lo Side Driver Half H driver DIP
    LM5112 - Tiny 7A MOSFET gate driver
    LT1160,LT1162 - Half- or Full-Bridge N-Channel Power MOSFET Drivers
    LT1161 - Quad High-Side Gate Driver w Drain Sense
    LT1336 - Half-Bridge N-Channel Power MOSFET Driver with Boost Regulator
    LTC4444 - High Voltage Synchronous N-Channel MOSFET Driver
    LTC4447 - High Speed Synchronous N-Channel MOSFET Driver
    MC34152, MC33152, NCV33152 - High Speed Dual MOSFET Drivers
    MCP14628 - 2A Synchronous Buck Power MOSFET Driver
    MIC4421, MIC4422 - 9A Peak Low-Side MOSFET Driver
    NCP4423, NCP4424, NCP4425 - 3A Dual High-Speed MOSFET Drivers
    TC429 - 6A Single High-Speed CMOS power MOSFET driver
    TC4421, TC4422 - 9A Gate Drivers
    TC4423, TC4424, TC4425 - 3A Dual High-Speed Power MOSFET Drivers
    TC4423A,TC4424A,TC4425A - Low Side MOSFET Drivers
    TC4426, TC4427, TC4428 - 1.5A Dual High-Speed Power MOSFET Drivers
    TC4431, TC4432 - 1.5A high side high-speed 30v MOSFET drivers
    TC4467, TC4468, TC4469 - Logic-Input CMOS Quad 1.5A Drivers
    TC4467,TC4468,TC4469 - Logic Input Quad 1.2A Drivers
    TC4467,TC4468,TC4469 - Logic-Input CMOS Quad Drivers
    TLP250 - TRANSISTOR INVERTER FOR AIR CONDITIONER IGBT GATE DRIVE
    TPS2811,TPS2812,TPS2814,TPS2815 - Dual High-Speed MOSFET Drivers
    UC1710,UC2710,UC3710 - High Current FET driver
    UCC27323, UCC27324, UCC27325 - Dual 4A Peak High Speed Low Side Power MOSFET Drivers


    Here are some:

    FDC655BN - Logic level power SMD MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=33m,Id=6.3)
    FDR858P - P-Ch, Logic Level, MOSFET (Vdss=-30V, Rdson=28m,Id=-8)
    HP4410 - N-Ch Logic Level Power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=13.5m,Id=10)
    HUF76131SK8 - N-Ch Logic Level Power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=13m,Id=10)
    IPD50N03S2-07 - N-ch Power MOSFET (Vds=30,Rdson=7.3m,Id=50)
    IRF1503 - N-ch power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=3.3m,Id=75)
    IRF3703 - Power MOSFET(Vdss=30V, Rds(on)max=2.8mohm, Id=210A)
    IRF7468 - SMPS MOSFET (Vdss=40,Rdson=0.0155,Id=9.4)
    IRF7821 - N-ch Logic Level Power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=9m,Id=11,Qg=9.3)
    IRL2203N - N-ch MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=7m,Id=116)
    IRL3713 - SMPS MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=.003,Id=260)
    IRL3803 - Logic level N-ch power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=6m,Id=140)
    IRLB8748pbf - N-ch Logic Level power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=4.8m,Id=78)
    IRLML5203 - P-ch Logic Level Power MOSFET (Vgss=30,Rdson=98m,Id=3)
    IRLR7807Z - N-ch logic level Power MOSFET (Vdss=30, Rdson=13.8m, Id=30)
    IRLR7821, IRLU7821 - N-ch logic level power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=10m,Id=65)
    IRLR8721,IRLU8721 - N-ch LL power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=8.4m,Id=30,Qg=8.5nC)
    NDS9936 - Dual N-ch logic level MOSFETs (Vdss=30,Rdsn=.05,Id=5)
    NTD4863N - N-ch power MOSFET (Vdss=25,Rdson=9.3m,Id=49) DPAK
    RJK0301 - Logic level N-ch MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=2.3m,Id=60)
    RJK0305 - Logic level N-ch power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=6.7m,Id=30)
    Si4174DY - N-ch power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=9.5m,13m,Id=17,14.5,Qg=8nC)
    STD17NF03L - N-ch power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=38m,Id=17)
    STP27N3lH5 - N-ch logic level MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=14m,Id=27)
    STP80NF03L - N-ch power MOSFET (Vdss=30,Rdson=4m,Id=80)
    STV300NH02L - N-ch PowerSO-10 MOSFET (Vdss=24,Rds(on)=0.8m,Id=280A)
    SUM110P04-05 - P-ch Power MOSFET (Vds=40,Rdson=5m,Id=110)
     
  16. S_adnan

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    I understood.I can change the duty cycle via micro controller programming but it will now become lot problematic.

    However in Boost design consideration there is nothing on load dependency except the time of charging and discharging of capacitor.can u tell me why is this difference?

    However how can i detect load variation?should i have to measure current through load?Any better solution of detection of load change.My output wont Detroit with load increase or decrease.And practically i am giving this output to charge controller which will charge the lead acid battery.So should i instead measure the transfer load of charger circuit and design the booster with that load value?

    Thanks for circuit view.It works for various input while load constant.

    Thanks again
     
  17. S_adnan

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    Thanks

    I will try search these the next days.I think i will have at least 1 of them as u given many options.

    I will be in touch.Thanks again
     
  18. ahmedkh

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  19. ahmedkh

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    hello
    please i need a help i have been used buck-boost converted my problem when i change the load the output voltage is also change i design the circuit at 2 A and the input voltage is 6V and output is 12 so i could not reach at 12V at load 2 A .
    and buck converter is working well can reach at 2A and the output as a constant at 12V.
    my regards
     
  20. MaxHeadRoom

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    Instead of trying to breathe life into a 4 1/2 yr old thread it may be best to start a new thread!!!:rolleyes:
    Max.
     
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