Dallas Cop Killer's Rifle

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  1. tracecom

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    Early (and perhaps wrong) reports are that Johnson used an SKS-45 rifle to murder and maim Dallas cops.

    The SKS-45 is of Russian origin and was designed in 1943 and put into service in 1945; as such, it was contemporary with the M1. In its unmodified condition, it has only one component that would mark it as an "assault rifle" according to AWB of 1994: a bayonet. It does not have an adjustable stock, nor a detachable magazine, nor a pistol grip, nor a flash suppressor, nor a grenade launcher mount. It was manufactured with a wooden stock and a ten-round magazine that accommodates a stripper clip. It is no more or less an assault rifle than an M1; it will be interesting to see how soon the anti's call for its ban, and what convoluted logic they use to differentiate it from other military relics.

    ETA: It has now been reported that Johnson used a Saiga AK74. See post number 10.
     
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  2. ronv

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    Could be wrong but I think I heard more than 10 rounds in succession. But maybe he was fast. :eek:
     
  3. Lestraveled

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    That could have been the cops laying down suppressing fire. One cop sprays the area while other cops move up.
     
  4. shortbus

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    The SKS has a 10 round magazine and is semi auto. They also can be easily converted to take a detachable AK magazine. I did this with my SKS. It is also a .30 caliber gun instead of a .223 like an AR.
     
  5. nsaspook

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    I sold quite a few original Russian SKS rifles produced in the 50's. A very high quality rifle with the internal 10 round mag. It's possible to use external mags but they are really prone to jam. With a little practice reloading from stripper clips is almost as fast as changing a mag.
    It's easy to upgrade the furniture on an SKS.

    The very short clip I saw of him holding the gun really didn't look like a modded SKS. I hear he might have used a Saiga AK74 (5.45X39) but nothing is official yet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiga_semi-automatic_rifle
     
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  6. JoeJester

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    Twelve police officers, using their typical 15 round pistols can lay down a lot of ammo. Couple that with the concrete canyons of the city and the acoustical signatures only amplifies the count.

    For info on the shooter's weapon, visit here.
     
  7. shteii01

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    Correction. There are no source that say it was mainstay battle rifle during ww2. Where did you find this lie?
     
  8. shteii01

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    Fun fact. Yugoslavian SKS M59/66 has grenade launcher.
     
  9. tracecom

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    I am not fond of being called a liar, however I was wrong about the SKS-45 seeing major action in WWII. I have made the correction in my original post.
     
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    Guns and rifles have been around for centuries and they aren't advanced technology.

    Furthermore, nothing has been uninvented and become technologically extinct. Therefore, there's no way to effectively outlaw and remove firearms of any type from society.

    However, if someone gets a hold of an extremely exotic weapon (like an Atom Bomb), that's something the government might be able to control.
     
  12. shteii01

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    I did not call you any such.

    In case you were not aware. Seemonov, the designer of SKS, was also responsible for another infantry weapon. This other infantry weapon was anti tank rifle, the PTRS-41. While SKS does not meet the criteria of being important weapon of WW2, the PTRS-41 did serve very widely during WW2 and even was encountered during the Korean War. The reason I bring up PTRS-41 here is that if you compare the two, you will see that when Seemonov designed SKS in 1944, he took a lot of features from PTRS that he designed in 1939-40. A less informed person might mistake one for the other.
     
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  14. Lestraveled

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    No gun is safe, nor are we. One executive order can turn all law abiding gun owners into criminals.
     
  15. shteii01

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    Um... you know the old cruffler joke? "all I got is firewood and scrap metal"
     
  16. nsaspook

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    No, it would turn the author of the executive order into a criminal.
     
  17. joeyd999

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    That depends on which way the mob swings.
     
  18. Lestraveled

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    It seems to me that the definition of a "criminal act" is different where you and I live than on Capital hill.
     
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  19. BReeves

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    Not to change the thread subject but this is so true, just look at what came down for Hitlery.
     
  20. dannyf

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    The fundamental problem without outlawing illegal arms is that criminals in possession of illegal arms aren't going to follow the law, by their own definitions. So all such law does is to take legal ownership of firearms from law abiding citizens. That's something the politicians refuse to acknowledge.

    if you want to reduce gun crimes, focus on the "crime" part.
     
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