Coupling to a power line

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  1. denman_100

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    Hi,

    I am working on a project and I was trying to find some information regarding how to power devices inductively off of a power line. The lines will be 100A +- 50A and anywhere between 4kV to 12kV. What I am building will be clamped around the line. I am looking to make a 9VDC power supply to power a device and also to charge a battery.

    I was able to find this post regarding a similar idea. http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=2688

    My first thoughts were to use some coils placed near the line to induce some voltage a la Faraday's law. However, a lot of turns were required to do that. I am now considering using a CT like device around it.

    I am just looking for some insight into this. A CT has a burden or some type of load across it, never open circuited so to prevent huge voltage differences. I guess what I'm wondering is how to get the voltage I want out of the secondary. A 100:5 CT will give me 5A at normal current, is this regardless of the line voltage? If I put the same CT on a line with half as much voltage, will it still deliver 5A on the secondary with a 100A primary?

    The reason I ask is because the power transfer doesn't quite make sense to me. 12kV 100A primary put through a 100:5 CT with a 1 ohm load will have 5A and 10V across the secondary. Why is the voltage not 240kV as expected from a 100:5 ratio? This seems to ignore power transfer equation for transformers. Am I to model the secondary as a perfect dependent current source?

    In reference to the link I posted, the poster mentioned putting a diode bridge with cap and zener to create his power supply. My only question is how would he determine the voltage input to the bridge? If he needed a 3VDC output, he'd need around 5-6 VAC peak to generate it. If the power supply is to load the secondary windings, I don't see how to set an input voltage.

    Sorry about the long post, but thanks in advance to everyone.
     
  2. beenthere

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    In order to be able to get useful power from inductance, very close-coupling is needed. I believe the effect is used to recharge batteries in electric toothbrushes.

    The field around a single conductor is not dense enough to get power from it. That is why transformers use many turns and a flux-coupling core to be efficient.

    You probably know most of this, but here is apointer to the Wikipedia article on CT's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_transformer.
     
  3. denman_100

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    Thanks for the reply. If I attach the CT around the wire, I'm assuming that the coupling will be much greater. Even with better coupling though, the questions at the bottom of my first post still apply. If I connect a rectifier bridge, cap and LM317 regulator to the secondary of the CT, what will it rectify? IE: If it is a 100:5 CT and 100A is on the primary, will it be rectifying :V = 5A * load impedance of my circuit?

    Beenthere: I think the CT will will help with coupling, if not, please tell me
     
  4. beenthere

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    You're missing the point of a current transformer. It exists to provide an analog of the main power line condirions so those conditions may be safely monitored. It is not a device that may be used to produce power.
     
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    If you are going to offer help, you need to post it here so others looking for similar info can have access to it if needed..... that is the whole point of these forums.....
     
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  7. GetDeviceInfo

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    and to warn one of impending death.
     
  8. CDRIVE

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    You took the words right out of my mouth.
     
  9. beenthere

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    This is a very old topic that got revived somehow.
     
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