# Coulomb's law in vector form

Discussion in 'Physics' started by logearav, Jan 4, 2012.

1. ### logearav Thread Starter Member

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Revered Members,
Kindly see my attachment.
Why for F$_{21}$ the unit vector is written as r$_{12}$ instead of r$_{21}$?

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2. ### steveb Senior Member

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It simply eliminates the need for a negative sign in the formula. Since this is a vector equation, the equation must give the correct direction for the force vector. This means a negative sign is needed. But swapping the indices from 21 to 12 is the same as a negative sign.

3. ### logearav Thread Starter Member

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Thanks for the reply steveb. Now look at this attachment. This material uses r$_{21}$ for F$_{21}$ which contradicts my previous attachment. Thats why i am confused.

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4. ### steveb Senior Member

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Yeah, these things are always confusing. You always have to carefully look at how the author is defining everything.

As far as I can tell, each of your sources (EDIT: I mean attachements in this thread, not electric charges) uses a different definition for r21 and r12.

The first document is much more clear about the definitions, while the second one does not clearly define everything. However, the second reference is probably using one of the accepted conventions that r21 is equal to r2-r1, where r2 and r1 are the position vectors of the charges, using an arbitrary reference frame.

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5. ### studiot AAC Fanatic!

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Remember this is vector subtraction!

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6. ### logearav Thread Starter Member

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So r12 is r1 - r2? Am i right?

7. ### studiot AAC Fanatic!

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I was not querying your statement, just reminding folks that r1 and r2 are vectors so the statement r1-r2 or r2-r1 is a vector subtraction.

8. ### logearav Thread Starter Member

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Now if the charges are opposite, will the force given by coulomb's law be negative, say
F= -kQ1Q2/r^2?
on simplifying will we get F = -9X10^9 Newton, if we take Q1 = 1C and Q2 as -1C and distance between them as 1 metre?