Could I get a live volunteer please? My "shoot/no shoot" simulator is broken.

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  1. GopherT

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  2. nsaspook

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    Basic gun safety fail. This was not an accidental discharge, it's another police negligent discharge that could be criminal.
     
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    "Always treat all guns like they are always loaded" so the cop playing the bad guy was careful to aim for a kill shot when he could have aimed at anything but the volunteer. Stupidity raised to the level of Fatal. Totally negligent manslaughter, and he's been punished with Paid Vacation (Administrative Leave).

    No, wait, that wasn't manslaughter, it was, "a horrible accident".
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...t-dead-during-florida-police-academy-exercise

    There is no law against, "horrible accidents", so no crime happened, right?

    When the officer fired, live ammunition hit Knowlton — several times.

    “Our entire police department and all of our city leaders are absolutely devastated for everyone involved in this unimaginable event,
    said Punta Gorda Police Chief Tom Lewis in a press conference Tuesday night.
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-accidentally-kill-librarian/

    That wasn't "unimaginable", his training kicked in. "Aim to kill and keep shooting until the threat (of survival) is neutralized."

    This is the kind of stupid they give a gun and a badge.:mad:
     
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    Want to demonstrate something then use this. Rule #1 never use an 'empty' real gun in this type of training. treat every gun as if it was loaded

    They make these for a reason.
    There is no GD excuse for these types of training incidents...
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    Well, as long as it was merely a, "horrible accident", no harm done.
    At least, that's what the District Attorney will say.
     
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    When you break at least 4 basic gun safety rules and a 73yo woman is dead after being shot multiple times in a training scenario the horrible accident should be you slipping on the soap in a jail shower.
     
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    "Citizen police academies are generally encouraged as a way to bolster ties between police department and the communities they protect." "An advertisement on the chamber website said the event was sold out."

    That's probably going to change.

    "Officers thought there was only blank ammunition available, he said." (Lewis said)

    I bet he thought the highly trained Law Enforcement Professionals would check to see if the guns had real bullets, refuse to aim kill-shots at unarmed non-criminals, and stop firing after the first bullet hit the 73 year old volunteer.:(
     
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    In 2013, Coel received two excessive force complaints, although the exact details of the incidents were not stated. The officer was stripped of his badge and placed on administrative leave.

    “It was as if my heart and soul had been ripped out of my chest…,” Coel wrote in a letter included in his personnel file after the incident. “I knew that I had never used any amount of force which was not justified…”

    Steve Knowlton told CNN that he is sure the officer is "in the worst hell of his life" after the shooting, "but I want him to know that we know that I'm sure he didn't intend on this happening, and I forgive him."

    Now, now. Mustn't blame the victim.:rolleyes:
    Better to dig up trash about the moral quality of the dead lady to justify the shooting.

    [sarc/off]
     
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    I still want to know what sort of 'F" ups I need to make to get a paid leave.

    So far the only ones I have managed to accomplish are the butt chewing kind. :oops:
     
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    I really wonder if this officer is all there in the head. There might be much more than just an 'accident' here. Very poor judgement on the level of force needed for a unarmed drunk on bike.

    http://www.winknews.com/2016/06/13/man-sues-punta-gorda-police-over-k-9-takedown/

     
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    As part of my work with dogs, I participate a great deal in training LEOs and security professionals in search, rescue, and apprehension. We always use the blue guns and knives in our training scenarios. If anyone were to pull out a black gun on the training field, or even have one on his person, he would be summarily dismissed, would lose his training privileges with us, and likely lose his job after the report we file.

    Safety first.
     
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    BTW, there exists "live" training ammo -- it's called Simunition. You fire it from your own gun, but you have to change barrels first. This prevents you from "accidentally" mixing simulated ammo with the real thing.
     
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    The kit turns your weapon into a 'blue' gun but you still need full face protection and soft gun vests to play.
     
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    Yes. I wasn't suggesting the shoot Simunition at the old lady, either.
     
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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/17/agent-loses-appeal-over-accidental-shooting-video.html
    Thank goodness he can't, "The lord works in mysterious ways to save us all".

    Some people are just stupid.

     
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    Excellent! We now have a cheap source for guns to be used in Afghanistan...or whatever country we're invading this week.
     
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    About 10-years ago we painted our kid's air soft guns yellow because, as purchased, were indistinguishable from the neighbor's Glock when viewed from 10 feet away. We also made the orange tip about 2x bigger. I didn't want them running through the neighborhood and have someone decide to "protect themselves" or claim castle doctrine and shooting at my kids. The orange tip is a federal law, it wasn't on the air soft toys in the video - that should have been the reason for the confiscation - period. The claim to automatic weapons is beyond dumb.
     
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    The painted tips are done locally on the imported toys. They finally released the toys to the importer.

    The ATF guy tried to install the mag backwards in the video.

    “Idleness is the only refuge of weak minds, and the holiday of fools.”
    Lord Chesterfield

    http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/01/25/shoestring-machine-gun/
     
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